Posted on 09/09/2004 3:59:23 PM PDT by blam
Irish, Scots and Welsh not Celts - scientists
September 09 2004 at 08:15PM
Dublin - Celtic nations like Ireland and Scotland have more in common with the Portuguese and Spanish than with "Celts" - the name commonly used for a group of people from ancient Alpine Europe, scientists say.
"There is a received wisdom that the origin of the people of these islands lie in invasions or migrations... but the affinities don't point eastwards to a shared origin," said Daniel Bradley, co-author of a genetic study into Celtic origins.
Early historians believed the Celts - thought to have come from an area to the east of modern France and south of Germany - invaded the Atlantic islands around 2 500 years ago.
But archaeologists have recently questioned that theory and now Bradley, from Trinity College Dublin, and his team, say DNA evidence supports their thinking.
Affinities don't point eastwards to a shared origin Geneticists used DNA samples from people living in Celtic nations and compared the genetic traits with those of people in other parts of Europe.
The study showed people in Celtic areas: Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Brittany and Cornwall, had strong genetic ties, but that this heritage had more in common with people from the Iberian peninsula.
"What we would propose is that this commonality among the Atlantic facade is much older... 6 000 years ago or earlier," Bradley told Reuters.
He said people may have moved up from areas around modern-day Portugal and Spain at the end of the Ice Age.
The similarities between Atlantic "Celts" could also suggest these areas had good levels of communications with one another, he added.
But the study could not determine whether the common genetic traits meant "Celtic" nations would look alike or have similar temperaments. Dark or red hair and freckles are considered Celtic features.
In the words of my ancestors, "Scientists: Pog mo thoin!"
That would be the Picts.. Basque or Iberian in origins.. often allied with the Celts, in control of most all of scotland until the 10th century..
These are the people that drove the Romans to build Hadrians wall, and pretty much kept them south of that wall right up until the romans gave up on england and left..
Two things I'm happy about black pudding and stout, haggis even.
Hey, some of us are Irish, Spanish, French and German all mixed together. Although the Spanish is from the northwest where the bagpipes are traditional and people have red and blonde hair and the French is from Brittany and Normandy.
We all All-American mutts are usually at war with ourselves.
Ok lets go get a beer
I'll bet this hunter never imagined that his DNA would spawn so many spineless people.
Fascinating BTTT for a later read
Galicia, if I'm not mistaken.
" Quite agree, and would add that most genetic studies are hogwash. Fertile lines have exactly 46 lines of descent, weaving their way back through the past like the Caduceus."
Sorry to be slow, but could you explain that one to me, please?
Neat info.
BTTT
Big error. Before the roman invasion, we know there was a celtic language in the iberian peninsula (celtiberian), one indoeuropean non-celtic (lusitanian) and two non indoeuropean (iberian and basque). There was a little germanic invasion in the first century BC, but it was rejected for celtiberians.
And how can you say irish origins are spanish? We the spanish can't distinguish physically an Irish from an English, and you can't distinguish spanish from italians (though for us the differents are very obvious).
…and the French is from Brittany and Normandy.
Their beards they oil, braid, tie wi ribbands... och, sae fancy! And many of their men do the same things.
Did they use parfoom?
Did they use parfoom?
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