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60 Minutes to Infamy- those forged memos and The Shot Heard Round the World
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| 09-10-04
| The Heavy Equipment Guy
Posted on 09/10/2004 4:28:44 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
141
posted on
09/11/2004 1:10:23 PM PDT
by
Stellar Dendrite
( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
To: backhoe
142
posted on
09/11/2004 3:08:33 PM PDT
by
tuesday afternoon
(Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
To: backhoe
I've learned.......when in doubt.....
BACKHOE!!!Thanks again for your incredible and incredibly IMPORTANT work!!
143
posted on
09/11/2004 5:09:36 PM PDT
by
soozla
("I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure............"-John Kerry)
To: soozla; tuesday afternoon
Thank you both- I'm sure there will be more but I'm dropping offline-- been trying to get our lighting plant back in service in case power fails.
144
posted on
09/11/2004 5:20:34 PM PDT
by
backhoe
(Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
To: Fiddlstix
Thanks- see #143... I'm goofy from gasoline & acetone fumes, and am signing off til morning. Machines are the curse of us men.
145
posted on
09/11/2004 5:22:51 PM PDT
by
backhoe
(Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
To: backhoe
Okay. See you tomorrow J
146
posted on
09/11/2004 5:25:42 PM PDT
by
Fiddlstix
(This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
To: backhoe
You are in Hurricane Alley!!!!!!!!!!!!! Prayers with you and our fellow Americans in the Southern realms and STAY SAFE.........................and, as the wife of an auto mechanic, who has been in the biz for 37 years......"old mechanics never die, they love to stick around to shock, tire and brake you!!"
147
posted on
09/11/2004 5:33:58 PM PDT
by
soozla
("I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure............"-John Kerry)
To: soozla; Fiddlstix
"old mechanics never die, they love to stick around to shock, tire and brake you!!"Thanks for the laugh... I started out 35+ years ago as a helper/apprentice machinist at Island Auto Parts, then moved next door to Newman's Auto Repair, where, due mainly to outlasting everyone else except Willie Newman, ended up as Chief Mechanic of the joint.
Hard work, but fond memories, and you never forget the smell of Petisol 404 degreaser in kerosene.
148
posted on
09/12/2004 3:33:14 AM PDT
by
backhoe
(Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
To: backhoe
Thanks, backhoe. You are THE "heavy lifting guy." ;-D
149
posted on
09/12/2004 3:35:31 AM PDT
by
Judith Anne
(Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Grandma is beating off the Indians, and they keep on coming.)
To: All
Glad to see that CNN (old media) is catching up with a FREEPER (new media).
It's all turning to ashes before them. The mainstream media is exposed as a bunch of frauds and liberal propagandists, the wheels have come off the Kerry campaign, the New Media is ascendant.
U.S. Servicemen React to Bush Guard Memos (AP writes story as if doc dispute weren't happening) I know of a few die-hard dems that can only spout a few words...."Bush was AWOL!" They are stuck like a broken record. And they do NOT want any facts that would exonerate the President, but they hang on Dan Rather's words as though they were made out of gold. You can show reasonable people the big discrepancies in the signatures, and they can't see it because their minds are so clouded by crap. It's disgusting. And I think it persists way outside the beltway.
The thing is, I see no support for Kerry like I would have expected. These people just want to hate Bush. The past year of bad publicity and 527 ads has fueled their fire. They are angry.
It's very worrisome that the dems have created a constituency of really angry people.
Transcript: PAT CADDELL on Fox News Live ("[Rather-Gate] could be disastrous for my party") -- the whole game plan was designed to get the Swiftees off Kerry's backside by smearing Bush with
a supposedly equivalent charge, then high mindedly call for both sides to lay off. They didn't count on the radioactive forgery exposure inside 24 hours. They just wanted a week long smear, so they made one up. They can't admit that now because the entire thing is a criminal excess of partisanship committed in blind panic over Kerry's collapsing campaign.
150
posted on
09/12/2004 3:56:12 AM PDT
by
backhoe
(Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
To: Judith Anne
151
posted on
09/12/2004 4:27:19 AM PDT
by
backhoe
(Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
To: All
If you're a media buff - and who isn't, in America in 2004? - then circle Thursday, Sept. 9, on your mental calendar. Because that's the day weblogs came into their own.
The most amazing thing is that these developments could be followed in real time by anyone owning a computer.
If CBS winds up retracting, the credit will have to go to the "blogosphere," a new and powerful force in journalism. Twin Cities blogger James Lileks of www.lileks.com said it best: "The Internet smells blood and leaps, and that has turned the game around, for better or worse."
Hugh Hewitt's list of problems with CBS Documents ---
*Lt Col Killian didn't type;
*Lt Col Killian's family says he did not maintain such records;
*Guard regulations prohibited the maintenance of such records;
*General Bobby Hodges didn't vouch for the docs as CBS said he would;
*Colonel Buck Staudt --cited in the memos as pushing Killian to "sugarcoat" a Bush evaluation-- had retired more than a year before the meo was allegedly written;
*Bloggers have been overwhelmed with e-mails from active duty and retire dmilitary who scoff at the form of the memos;
*Typewriters with proportional spacing were rare in '72/3;
*Typewriters with superscripting capabilites were rare in '72/3;
*Typewriters with perfect centering ability were non-existent '72/3;
*Typewriters with the "kerning" function didn't exist in '72/3;
*Most experts, from Dr.Cartwright at Rice, the above-referenced Dr. Bouffard and Farrell Shiver, range from certain to almost certain in their conclusions that the docs are not legit;
*CBS doesn't have the "originals" and didn't reveal that fact until pressure mounted;
*The fake docs are easily and exactly reproduced on modern word-processing equipment, underscoring the ease with which the bad forgery could have been produced contrasted with the near impossibility of Lt Colonel Killian's producing them in 192/3;
*Lt Col Killian lacked motive to write and maintain such records;
*Despite intense media interest in the president's TANG career that extends back at least four years, someone sat on these docs until seven weeks before the 2004 election and after the RNC convention;
*CBS has a history of obtaining docs damaging to the Bush Adminsitration which in all likelihood came from Democratic partisans;
*CBS won't reveal its source;
*CBS has a history of blowing stories that involved fake documents; and
*Dan Rather has not appeared opposite a serious journalist to answer extended questions on camera, even though his reputation and the reputation of his network are being shredded and a confidant witness would demand a hearing with a Russert or a Hume.
They're forged as hell," said Earl W. Lively
Why should we really be surprised that the Stone-age press would stoop to using forged military documents to damage President Bush. When their new Standard bearer is Michael Moore and his tactics, false charges with no proof is the norm.
How long will we hear "It's not the documents but the story that matters"? Ridiculous!! With the Swift Boat guys then, it's not the documents but the story that matters! And they have NOT been refuted, despite the claim by nearly all in the media and every Dem out there. "Repeat something often enough, it's fact" is the only plan they have since Clinton rode into D.C. on his bus all those years ago.
152
posted on
09/12/2004 11:35:32 AM PDT
by
backhoe
(Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
To: All
Related to this forged document story, my greatest concern with the "MSM" (nothing mainstream about them, of course) has to do with the part of the disasterous Campaign Finance Reform bill that essentially gives the media control over the last 30 or 60 days of an election cycle. I believe the CFR pretty much forbids any opposition ads that could inform voters of certain aspects of a candidates record in the last month or so of an election, which leaves that job almost solely to the media. As we all know, the MSM is in fact the LM, and they will only put out negative information related to Republican cadidates during that period. Apparantly, if Documentgate is any indication, they will even make up information in order to smear a candidate. I think this incident should provide ample proof in a court of law to get this part of CFR overturned, although the infringement on the 1st amendment should have been enough to do so (thank you, SC).
No Escape Route for CBS - Recommended Response from Killian Family
153
posted on
09/12/2004 5:23:04 PM PDT
by
backhoe
(Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
To: All
This is the best analysis of the memos from a typographical perspective that I have read.
What seems to be lost in this document shuffle is intent and motive, that being to manipulate domestic/foreign perception in order to preemptively steal the election...not to mention the useful smoke-screen to divert attention from Kerry's treasonous behavior upon his return.
-more-
As it happens, though, we have not only identified the real Robert Strong, but have, through one of our readers, interviewed him.
Even though he admittedly could not vouch for the authenticity of the memos, Strong said he thought that they “seemed to fit the time and the man that Killian was.”
Amazing. Once again, not a single main stream newspaper or network is able to interview or identify "Professor" Strong, except for the distorted info provided by CBS itself. And the blogosphere comes through with the info.
This article is amazing to me. Think about it. A blog reader and contributor... could be your neighbor, a guy you work with... turned man on the street interviewer for the renegade internet press. Wow. Asking more intelligent questions than most MSM would think to ask or print.
Read this:
Now we have a Magic Typewriter to go with the Magic Hat!
My goodness, this is so much fun.
All of these people are out of their minds.
That is is most concise and accurate description of the Democrat party 2004 I have ever seen.
That's the media's strategy. They can't actually debunk it, because they have nothing to debunk it with. So they just say it's been proven a lie, a fraud, whatever. Their statement that it's been proven wrong is all we peons need to know.
Anyone have any idea or informed opinions about what these Kerry stories might be?
Since you asked...
-John Kerry- some selected, informative links...--
-Kansas City Kerry- "The Phoenix Project"--
-The Prince of Tides- Bush ads, Kerry ads, the Tides Foundation, and so much more--
-The Swift Grey Fox- John Kerry versus the Swift Boat Vets--
-60 Minutes to Infamy- those forged memos and The Shot Heard Round the World--
PREZ ROARING FROM BEHIND IN JERSEY
Voters opting for Bush in two battleground states
New Poll Shocker: Thune 50%, Daschle 47%
Fox News slanted? Take a look at CNN
Economists agree, Media has a Liberal Bias....
We have a Winner of the various Bush AWOL Reward Offers!
A Desperate Campaign, an Eager Media, and Fraudulent Documents
MoveOn PAC 527 Running Fraudulent Advertisement on Cleveland's WKYC-TV Concerning AWB Expiration.
154
posted on
09/13/2004 4:34:42 AM PDT
by
backhoe
(Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
To: All
And That's The Way It Isn't (John Ellis on Rathergate) What we are looking at is a scandal, an attempt by the Democratic Party and a number of its news media megaphones to smear the President of the United States. This is potentially a big scandal; one that might do real damage to the Kerry campaign and cost Dan Rather and his producer their jobs.
Former CBS Exec. Jonathan Klein Dismisses Bloggers Here is what this guy is missing. It is not
one guy in his living room in his pajamas. It is 10,000, all with almost unlimited resources via the Net and, here is the kicker, they can all talk to each other. Some are experts in typography, some have extensive experience with MS Word, some were actually in the Guard in the early 70's.
We're amateurs. We do this in our spare time.
But we still figured it out. So what does that say about YOU?
155
posted on
09/13/2004 1:16:36 PM PDT
by
backhoe
(1990's? Decade of Frauds. 2000's? Decade of Lunatics...)
To: backhoe
Backhoe, DUDE!!!, WELL DONE!!! That is a terrific post!
To: michaelbfree
Why, thank you neighbor- a Tip O' the Hat to ye...
157
posted on
09/13/2004 4:45:25 PM PDT
by
backhoe
(1990's? Decade of Frauds. 2000's? Decade of Lunatics...)
To: backhoe
I love this thread and all these links!
To: goodolemr
I love this thread and all these links!Thanks, and here is more--
CBS Evening News: Questions Linger Over Bush Memos It looks like CBS is starting to buckle under the weight of the case against the forged documents. Almost all of this article, written by CBS News and posted to their own website cites much of the mounting evidence without any defense whatsoever against it. Their "sources" and "experts" seem to have run dry and they're just repeating the same pathetic indefensible case.
159
posted on
09/13/2004 4:59:44 PM PDT
by
backhoe
(1990's? Decade of Frauds. 2000's? Decade of Lunatics...)
To: All
John Carroll should know a lot about "pseudo-journalism". It's his business.
Wesley Pruden: An Artless Scam for an Eager Buyer The documents that Dan and CBS attempted to sell to the gullible as proof that George W. Bush was a slacker, shirker and goldbrick during the Vietnam War are already regarded by everyone but Dan and perhaps one or two of his CBS colleagues as
"the National Guard forgeries."
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth...
Dan Rather
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
What's the Frequency, Kenneth???
160
posted on
09/14/2004 3:10:50 AM PDT
by
backhoe
(1990's? Decade of Frauds. 2000's? Decade of Lunatics...)
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