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60 Minutes to Infamy- those forged memos and The Shot Heard Round the World
various FR links | 09-10-04 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

Posted on 09/10/2004 4:28:44 AM PDT by backhoe

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To: nutmeg
Thanks for the bump, this thread is a treasure.

CBS News is Rather Biased

121 posted on 09/10/2004 2:02:41 PM PDT by Fixit (John Kerry has so little faith in his own campaign that he won't even resign his Senate seat.)
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To: Howlin; All

You know what one thing that bug me
How come the media don't track down Dubya miltary buddies that were in Alabama at the time Dubya was there

COME ON CBS News OR CNN YOU WIMPS

Track them down


122 posted on 09/10/2004 2:28:19 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: dcwusmc; backhoe
Here's the story .... enjoy

backhoe ... thanks for linking all this together ... I missed 80% of these threads .... :)

123 posted on 09/10/2004 2:52:53 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Appreciate your looking, and your comments.


124 posted on 09/10/2004 3:06:45 PM PDT by backhoe (1990's? Decade of Frauds. 2000's? Decade of Lunatics...)
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 BREAKING FROM HANNITY: CBS Producer in Dallas source of Documents
 
 Were CBS Docs a Hoax? 
 I was alerted to this on another thread, but follow this link. Apparently these docs were being discussed on a news group back in January. May have been purchased from a web site. Is this all a hoax gone wrong?
 
 CBS Ignored Info That Docs Were Likely Inauthentic!!
 
 The democraps continue to use baseless accusations
 
 Docugate Timeline (Vanity - Up for Scrutiny)
 FYI, here are the timelines I have noticed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212057/posts?page=36#36
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1211904/posts?page=92#92
 
 What CBS News is Up Against in Defending the Fake Killian Memo's
 
 Rather Lashes Out at Drudge
 
 Dolph Lundgren Endorses Bush! (Hilarious take on the Killian Scandal)
 
 Dan Rather says "No appology needed" What we need to do about it
 
 Chris Wallace About Face(Radio interview,F.R Credited)
 
 Based on all this, should CBS Moderate a debate?
 
 Simple Solution to Document Claims - ANG Records Repository
 
 (Bernard) Goldberg: 'They Wanted the Story to Be True.'
 
 Caddell: Dan Rather May Have Cost Kerry the Election (the cracks are starting to appear)
 
 Has this Documents Issue been Addressed?
 
 CBS news says No investigation into memos.
 
 Terry McAuliffe-out of control
More Loathsome Terry prattle:
 DNC head: Bush lied (DNC supports forged documents)
 
 THE SON of Lt. Col. Jerry Killian
 
 Free Republic Broke This Story?
 
 Local DC radio: Washington Post unearthed the forged docs (Hurl alert)
 
 Will Rather produce enough evidence to convince?
 
 FROM BEN BRADLEE TO DAN RATHER
 
 When in Doubt, Blame Karl Rove
 
 First Person: Bernard Goldberg is Vindicated
 
 National Guard Documents are Fake, Plain and Simple
 
60 Minutes to Infamy- those forged memos and The Shot Heard Round the World 
The echoes of the big Internet bang which annihilated a 60 Minutes story in under 12 hours are still resounding. The key riffs apparently started at Powerline and as Samizdata notes, the distributed intelligence of the Internet took over.
The Blogoshpere Never Sleeps 
Under the scrutiny of thousands of analysts, the CBS story began to melt down.



125 posted on 09/10/2004 3:14:18 PM PDT by backhoe (1990's? Decade of Frauds. 2000's? Decade of Lunatics...)
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To: nutmeg
The Democrats cannot arrange a balloon drop, they cannot arrange a simple forgery... and they want to run the country?
126 posted on 09/10/2004 4:40:39 PM PDT by evilC (This space left intentionally blank)
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To: nutmeg

BTTT


127 posted on 09/10/2004 9:58:48 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: nutmeg

bttt


128 posted on 09/11/2004 2:08:17 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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 Man named in Bush memo left Guard before document was written
 This is becoming the worst 48HRs of 60MINUTESIIs history.That's because we have 20/20 hindsight!
 Man named in Bush memo left Guard before document was written
 
 Another Shoe Drops...May 24th Memo from Killian Office Not Similar to CBS Memo
 
 The post that sunk CBS's ship
 
 CBS' bomb turns blooper  When one recognizes the opportunity for the White House to employ the full range of 'Net options -- chats, blogs, message boards, posted video on the White House web site, and so forth -- to get their unfiltered message out, it becomes very clear the MSM as we know it is facing obscolescence. The early stages have already arrived.
 
 Big Media vs New Media: Lessons from Martin Luther for Blogosphere [Vanity]
 
 NBC Nightly News' Document Expert: they were forged
 
 Live Thread: CBS Evening News (Dan tells us why we're all wrong) 
 'KEY CHALLENGES TO NATIONAL GUARD DOCUMENTS ANSWERED'
Goes on to cite the full CBS transcript. We've got to get it out there that this answers nothing, that the superscripts available in 1973 did not match the superscripts seen in the "memos"; that Matley's expertise is as a handwriting analyst and he has no place analyzing the documents from a typing/font perspective, and so on... We made the truth come to light here with this story, now let's not let CBS and Rather cover it up!
 
 Documents Reported as Fake on Hong Kong News (Chinese Language Station)
 
 Local Man Called On To Verify Bush Military Records (Prof. Polt, Xavier Univ. also deems them fake)
 
 The Expert Ambush
 
 $10,500 reward to anyone who can replicate the CBS documents on a typewriter
 
 Flashback: Dan Rather interviews GHW Bush in 1988
 
 Yet Another CBS Document Experiment (CBS file vs. Word document) [perfect match]
 
 Liberal Media Group Defends Authenticity of CBS News Documents
 
 The Swiss Cheese Defense: Enumerating All CBS's Memogate Problems
 
 The IBM Selectric Composer
 The First Word Processor?
 
 Questions mount on Guard memos' authenticity (Killian Signature Forgery?)
 
 Media Assault on Bush Collapses in Credibility Meltdown
 

 BIAS AUTHOR BERNARD GOLDBERG ON KABC, TALKING ABOUT RATHERGATE.
 
 Hugh Hewitt Correspondence With Rice U Professor Shows CBS' Memos ARE Forgeries (MUST READ!!!)
 
 CBS, Rather stand firm on Bush story as furor swells
 Can they really get away with this??
History establishes that yes, they can get away with it. They've done so many times. The real question is "Can they STILL get away with this?"
 
 CBS News FReeped <--- (actual headline)
 
 Rush is reporting that the fake docs came from the DNC and Kerry campaign (live thread)  "This place continually amazes me. You could ask a question on any topic, from medieval history to classical music to nuclear physics, and there will be be (at least) several articulate answers."
True, but there will also be several posts saying, "This is series," or "This is Hugh," or "All your [fill in the blank] belong to us."  Kerry: "All Your Forgery Are Belong To Us"
 
 Mickey Kaus on Liberal Conspiracy Theory re CBS Docs (involves Freeper Buckhead)
 
 CBS falls for Kerry campaign's fake memo [Mark Steyn]
 

After the 2002 election, I wrote, ''Remind me never to complain about 'liberal media bias' again. Right now, liberal media bias is conspiring to assist the Democrats to sleepwalk over the cliff.''

The media and the Democrats sustain each other's make-believe land. Dan Rather tells his staff, ''Kerry's told me there's nothing to this Swiftvet thing.'' Kerry tells his, ''Rather's assured me this Swiftvet story's going nowhere.''

 RATHER 'FORGES' AHEAD   Mary Mapes, Rather's 60 Minutes producer, broke the Abu Grabib prison story.... I would like to know more about Mary Mapes. That CBS guy sure made a point of what a dedicated, honest producer she is, and how she vets everything multiple times.
 
60 Minutes to Infamy- those forged memos and The Shot Heard Round the World 
The echoes of the big Internet bang which annihilated a 60 Minutes story in under 12 hours are still resounding. The key riffs apparently started at Powerline and as Samizdata notes, the distributed intelligence of the Internet took over.
The Blogoshpere Never Sleeps 
Under the scrutiny of thousands of analysts, the CBS story began to melt down.
FYI, here are the timelines I have noticed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212057/posts?page=36#36
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1211904/posts?page=92#92
 



129 posted on 09/11/2004 4:23:23 AM PDT by backhoe (1990's? Decade of Frauds. 2000's? Decade of Lunatics...)
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 Rather Biased?
 
 Rather Flawed - New evidence emerges of media incompetence.
 [The Dan's Documents fiasco is similar to Kerry's Khristmas in Kambodia fiasco--no matter which way they try to wiggle out of one lie, it shows up another lie.]
 -60 Minutes to Infamy- those forged memos and The Shot Heard Round the World--
 
 Not Me, but YOU People are shell-shocked!!
 
 HODGES SAID HE WAS MISLED BY CBS
 
 CBS, Rather stand firm on Bush story as furor swells

130 posted on 09/11/2004 5:36:23 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: backhoe
Last night, my wife and I had dinner with some friends, one of whom, is a "hate Bush" liberal. I told her about the fake memos, and she became very defensive, even though it was the first time that she heard about the scandal.

"They're totally faked," I said.

"No, they're not."

I presented some of the evidence that people have gathered and posted on this site. She still insisted that the memos were real, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The bottom line was that she hates Bush with a white-hot passion, and her hatred therefore makes the memos genuine.

Mmmkay. Needless to say, it was an interesting and illuminating conversation.
131 posted on 09/11/2004 5:44:29 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Uncle Vlad
I presented some of the evidence that people have gathered and posted on this site. She still insisted that the memos were real, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The bottom line was that she hates Bush with a white-hot passion, and her hatred therefore makes the memos genuine.

The misdirected heat & passion are astounding...

 Fear and Loathing in Manhattan - What motivates the Angry Left? Revenge  I have to disagree. It's about their fear of seeing more of their liberal agenda dismantled. They want someone who will put nuts in the Supreme Court, supports things like the Kyoto Treaty, not tamper with abortion, supports homosexuality, supports gun restrictions, supports higher taxes, supports the UN, and so on.
That's why they're always calling the President "dangerous".

 Buckle Your Seatbelts The Ride Is About To Get Rough  The Anti-American liberals are out to destroy President Bush and his family at ALL COSTS. I know this will just cause people to see how desperate the libs have become, but it also brings out more hate the left... the lefties are already planning on inpeachment after the election. They will stop at nothing and they want to destroy our country.

 Kerry Supporters: "Laura Bush was Drug Dealer, George W. Bush was Cokehead"  Neither W nor Laura are making their college years a focus of the campaign.
On the other hand, Kerry has made Vietnam a centerpiece of his. Enough said.
 Doesn't measure up to back-stabbing the military with falsehoods in front of Congress...
 So this is Kerry's new "take-the-gloves-off" strategy? I believe we are seeing "meltdown" here, big time.  
 Madness, thy name is Democrats

 Bush's Greatness: There's a good reason he infuriates the reactionary left.  I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Gelernter. He understands terrorism and terrorists first hand, because he has had a front row seat. For those who may not know, he lost both hands to one of the Unabomber's letter bombs.

132 posted on 09/11/2004 6:49:00 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: backhoe

Reference bump.


133 posted on 09/11/2004 9:16:37 AM PDT by Rocko ( John Kerry: "We'll always have Paris.")
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To: backhoe

I've told you before but I'll tell you again...you are amazing! Thanks for your hard work.


134 posted on 09/11/2004 9:26:04 AM PDT by Magnolia (Pennies a day help keep Liberals at bay.....become a monthly donor!)
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To: Magnolia; Rocko

Thank you both- there should be more added shortly.


135 posted on 09/11/2004 11:10:39 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
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 So now we have the following discrepancies in the CBS documents (nice summary)
 
The New Media Manifesto 
 Now, with the internet, it was only a couple of hours before their assertions were being blown out of the water.
   I agree, the internet has really arrived and changed the press and politics for the better. After I watched the the hack jobs the networks did on Goldwater and Reagan, it's a hopeful sign that a lie born in an agenda can be caught so quick, and be more embarrassing to the reporter than the target. Times are a changing, indeed.
 
 Bush memos trail... DNC to Kerry Campaign to CBS/Dan Rather   This is Watergate all over again, with forgers instead of burglars.
 
 Agreed: CBS, Rather, Kerry and the DNC engaged in a deception: NOW WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT IT?
 We do abslutely nothing whatsoever except keep it on the front burner. The longer Rather has to keep talking about this the longer we have Veterans issues right out there. Everyone has figured out these docs are forgeries, but we love hearing old danny boy deny it.
 
 Matley and the Vince Foster Suicide Note
 
 Matley authors "the Expert Ambush"
 
 MATLEY CONFIRMS DOCUMENTS WERE COPIES
 It would also seem the old media's new standard includes to disparage all internet obtained information.
 CBS, like the DNC, is fighting for nothing less than survival.
 Go to the link below to see how MS Word 2 was used to forge these documents:
http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf
 
 MARCEL MATLEY SAYS YOU CAN'T AUTHENTICATE A COPIED SIGNATURE (WHICH CBS CLAIMS HE DID)
 
 Rather says Matley vouched for 4 memos, Matley says he vouched for only one.
 
 Mary Mapes--
 http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=Mary%20Mapes%20ABu%20Ghraib
 
 See how Kerry and his hench-girlymen forged the CBS documents - right here
 
 A look at the Killian signatures on the CBS documents
 
 Keep the pressure on CBS
 
 Rather Document Surfaces
 
 HISTORICAL RECORD -- THE CBS DAN RATHER MASTER THREAD
 
 Activism Request: FReeper Blue Ribbon Commission to Investigate CBS-DNC-Kerry Link, Issue Report
 
 U.S. Servicemen React to Bush Guard Memos (spreading the lie)
 
 FNC'S Derliction of Duty
 
 New Turmoil as CBS Internal Docs Surface - Thread I (Rather Interesting!)
 
 Slicing and Dicing Formatting Fraud with Occam's Razor
 
 The SeeBS website has only ONE article about the memo, staunchly defending its authenticity
 
 60 Minutes': Witness Who Contradicted Forged Docs Was Too 'Pro-Bush (Inmates are running CBS
 
 A new Steyn: CBS falls for Kerry campaign's fake memo
 
 Get-Bush time at the networks?
 
 Golden opportunity to discredit FR and conservative blogs and no takers
 
 -60 Minutes to Infamy- those forged memos and The Shot Heard Round the World--
 
 



136 posted on 09/11/2004 12:21:31 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: backhoe

Great job!


137 posted on 09/11/2004 12:25:49 PM PDT by labard1
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To: backhoe

BTTT


138 posted on 09/11/2004 12:27:41 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Fiddlstix; labard1

Appreciate it, both of you- gotta run... hurricane supplies need topping up ( again! ).


139 posted on 09/11/2004 12:45:29 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: backhoe
Appreciate it, both of you- gotta run... hurricane supplies need topping up ( again! ).

Take care
See you later.

140 posted on 09/11/2004 12:47:38 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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