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London - Red hair may be the genetic legacy of Neanderthals...
Planet Save.com ^ | 1/14/05 | Planet Save.com

Posted on 01/16/2005 12:47:07 PM PST by IGBT

London - Red hair may be the genetic legacy of Neanderthals, according to a new study by British scientists.

Researchers at the John Radcliffe Institute of Molecular Medicine in Oxford were quoted by The Times as saying the so-called "ginger gene" which gives people red hair, fair skin and freckles could be up to 100 000 years old.

They claim that their discovery points to the gene having originated in Neanderthal man who lived in Europe for 200 000 years before Homo sapien settlers, the ancestors of modern man, arrived from Africa about 40 000 years ago.

Rosalind Harding, the research team leader, told The Times: "The gene is certainly older than 50 000 years and it could be as old as 100 000 years.

"An explanation is that it comes from Neanderthals." It is estimated that at least 10 percent of Scots have red hair and a further 40 percent carry the gene responsible, which could account for their once fearsome reputation as fighters.

Neanderthals have been characterised as migrant hunters and violent cannibals who probably ate most of their meat raw. They were taller and stockier than Homo sapiens, but with shorter limbs, bigger faces and noses, receding chins and low foreheads.

The two species overlapped for a period of time and the Oxford research appears to suggests that they must have successfully interbred for the "ginger gene" to survive. Neanderthals became extinct about 28 000 years ago, the last dying out in southern Spain and southwest France. - Sapa-DPA


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1 posted on 01/16/2005 12:47:08 PM PST by IGBT
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To: msdrby

ping


2 posted on 01/16/2005 12:48:05 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Have sliderule, will calculate.)
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To: IGBT
I love redheads.

Turns out I love Neaderthals.

3 posted on 01/16/2005 12:49:00 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz
Neaderthals

Neaderthals????

Neaderthals??!??!?

4 posted on 01/16/2005 12:49:57 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: IGBT
"Red hair may be the genetic legacy of Neanderthals... "


5 posted on 01/16/2005 12:50:07 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: IGBT

So, the English are calling the Irish Neanderthals.

Surprise, surprise.


6 posted on 01/16/2005 12:51:09 PM PST by It's me
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To: IGBT

...make shure you confirm they are REAL redheads. :)


7 posted on 01/16/2005 12:51:46 PM PST by IGBT
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To: IGBT
I think there's two types of redheads.

There's the rusty brown of silky auburn - very atractive.
And the brillo-ey neon orange - no so much...

8 posted on 01/16/2005 12:52:12 PM PST by bikepacker67 ("This is the best election night in history." -- DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe 11/2/04 8pm)
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To: IGBT
Red hair may be the genetic legacy of Neanderthals

I'll buy that.

9 posted on 01/16/2005 12:52:52 PM PST by martin_fierro (Hines Ward is my son! OK, not really, but it'd be nice.)
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To: IGBT

I am a redhead of Scottish decent and I am not comfortable with the idea that a British scientist has attributed red hair to Neanderthals. It smacks of a slur, for some reason.


10 posted on 01/16/2005 12:52:55 PM PST by TheLionessRN
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To: IGBT
Neanderthals have been characterised as migrant hunters and violent cannibals who probably ate most of their meat raw.

Well, I hunt and I like my meat rare and I have red hair and freckles (see nickname) but I'm totally drawing the line at cannibalism. I know what you people eat. There is no marinade or rub that's going to make you people "finger lickin' good".

11 posted on 01/16/2005 12:53:09 PM PST by Gingersnap
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To: Lazamataz

Yep. Me too.

12 posted on 01/16/2005 12:53:43 PM PST by Jagdgewehr
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To: It's me

:^D

Only thing is the REAL Irish aren't red-headed and freckled. Ireland gets that from the viking invaders. Turns out the real Irish are the Black Irish: Dark featured, but still rather pale skin and rather short.


13 posted on 01/16/2005 12:54:33 PM PST by dangus
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To: IGBT
Guess that helps explain "beat like a redheaded step child".

I myself like redheaded women...and auburn, jetblack, blonde, strawberry blonde, brown, and lately, since I'm married, a mix of grey and brown.

FMCDH(BITS)

14 posted on 01/16/2005 12:54:39 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Lazamataz

What is left out is that the Neanderthal on the average had a larger brain size that H. Sapien.


15 posted on 01/16/2005 12:54:53 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends.)
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To: Lazamataz
"Neaderthals??!??!?

"That is sooooo condescending!" - Geico Caveman.

16 posted on 01/16/2005 12:55:03 PM PST by bikepacker67 ("This is the best election night in history." -- DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe 11/2/04 8pm)
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To: TheLionessRN

I agree, and I am also a redhead of scottish descent. Especially since the article says that the neanderthals apparently died out while in spain and southern france. Shouldn't there be a larger population a redheads in that region if so. The science in this article sound highly suspicious.


17 posted on 01/16/2005 12:55:27 PM PST by Celtic Rose (It may be prudent in me to act sometimes by other men's reason, but I can think only by my own)
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To: IGBT
Red hair may be the legacy of Web Hubbell.


18 posted on 01/16/2005 12:55:54 PM PST by martin_fierro (Hines Ward is my son! OK, not really, but it'd be nice.)
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To: IGBT

uh-oh


19 posted on 01/16/2005 12:56:08 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: bikepacker67

lol


20 posted on 01/16/2005 12:56:11 PM PST by martin_fierro (Hines Ward is my son! OK, not really, but it'd be nice.)
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To: IGBT
Nothing wrong with Neanderthals.


21 posted on 01/16/2005 12:56:29 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: nothingnew

I don't mind redheaded girls, either... just as long as the collars and cuffs match.


22 posted on 01/16/2005 12:56:34 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*Gregoire is French for Stealing an Election*)
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To: IGBT

No joke. I've known one or two red haired Neanderthals.


23 posted on 01/16/2005 12:56:43 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: IGBT
"...make shure you confirm they are REAL redheads. :) "

Oh, it's all real.

24 posted on 01/16/2005 12:56:58 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: IGBT
Researchers at the John Radcliffe Institute of Molecular Medicine in Oxford were quoted by The Times as saying the so-called "ginger gene" which gives people red hair, fair skin and freckles could be up to 100 000 years old.

No wonder I feel so tired in the mornings! LOL Neaderthals, huh? I guess that's why I can't do math, either.

ROFL!!

25 posted on 01/16/2005 12:58:36 PM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: IGBT
...make shure you confirm they are REAL redheads. :)

Heh heh heh...the real test....applies to blondes as well...

FMCDH(BITS)

26 posted on 01/16/2005 12:58:52 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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27 posted on 01/16/2005 1:00:06 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod ( I'm going to open Cobra Kai dojos all over this valley!)
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To: IGBT

That explains Susan Sarandon.


28 posted on 01/16/2005 1:00:10 PM PST by srm913
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To: dangus

True, they get the balck hair from the Spanish invaders.


29 posted on 01/16/2005 1:00:17 PM PST by It's me
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To: IGBT; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
The source of this story is Planet Save.com , not “Researchers at the John Radcliffe Institute of Molecular Medicine ” as posted. One probably has credibility, the other calls themselves “Planet Save” ;^)
30 posted on 01/16/2005 1:00:40 PM PST by elfman2
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To: Celtic Rose

I harkend back to Clan of the Cave Bear for a moment while reading that article. It occurred to me that there aren't a lot of blonde-haired blue-eyed Spaniards or French, either. Last time I checked, blonde was a by-product of red.
I think the British scientist was just trying to couch his Anglo-centrism in scientific jargon


31 posted on 01/16/2005 1:02:22 PM PST by TheLionessRN
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Yeah, well, upside down they......nevermind...not going there.

FMCDH(BITS)

32 posted on 01/16/2005 1:02:38 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Larry Lucido
I'll betcha she had extensive brow and mandible reduction surgery. Nothing out of the ordinary for Hollywood starlettes, though.
33 posted on 01/16/2005 1:04:15 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: IGBT

34 posted on 01/16/2005 1:04:51 PM PST by chemical_boy
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To: IGBT

Bump


35 posted on 01/16/2005 1:05:52 PM PST by bubman
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To: ValerieUSA
Redhead PING

So9

36 posted on 01/16/2005 1:06:15 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: nothingnew

Of course, it's not fair if the ladies cheat by switching from carpeting to parque flooring.


37 posted on 01/16/2005 1:08:01 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*Gregoire is French for Stealing an Election*)
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To: KneelBeforeZod
Bah, I see your Mean Girl and raise you everyone's favorite band geek;




38 posted on 01/16/2005 1:10:25 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Like the archers of Agincourt, ... the Swiftboat Veterans took down their own haughty Frenchman.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; Flying Circus

ping


39 posted on 01/16/2005 1:13:47 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Gingersnap
"There is no marinade or rub that's going to make you people "finger lickin' good"."

LOL!!

Let's blindfold me and some other guys for a game called "Find the Redhead!" Hmmm. FOX is filming nearby tomorrow. Maybe I should relay this idea to them?

40 posted on 01/16/2005 1:14:21 PM PST by BobS
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To: IGBT

My favorite Neanderthal.
41 posted on 01/16/2005 1:16:01 PM PST by ItsForTheChildren
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To: IGBT

If British Scientists are being paid to write gags, and if Gag writers earn their living by making aleged scientific discoveries; it explains a lot about the confusion we are experiencing deciding whether to laugh at science or fret over the content of jokes.


42 posted on 01/16/2005 1:16:05 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (The Progrossive Democrats are never so small a minority that they can't screw every thing up.)
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To: sweetliberty

Redhead PING


43 posted on 01/16/2005 1:20:38 PM PST by null and void (I refuse to live my life as if someone, somewhere will be offended if I laugh...)
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To: swilhelm73
old skool redhead.. kerri green. couldn't find a linkable color pic though


44 posted on 01/16/2005 1:20:55 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod ( I'm going to open Cobra Kai dojos all over this valley!)
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To: dangus
The "Black Irish" are those who, like the Welsh, have a great deal of genetic resemblance to the Basques of northern Spain and extreme southwest France. It is possible that Phoenicians and residents of Asia Minor and other Mediterranean countries contributed another short, dark type via trade routes to Cornwall and other parts of the British Isles where tin, and to some extent, silver and gold were found. They inhabited Ireland and Britain before 500 BC and did not speak an Indo-European language like the Gaelic that was brought to Ireland from Galicia in Spain or the Low Countries. Generally speaking, western Ireland, less affected by fairer Celtic, Viking, and Anglo-Norman invaders, tends to have a higher concentration of "Black Irish" than eastern Ireland.

The "Black Irish" are sometimes attributed to shipwrecked Spanish invaders following the defeat of the Spanish armada in 1588. However, it appears that most of the survivors were imprisoned or killed if they landed on Irish shores. Additionally, many Spanish sailors were Galicians, and thus did not fit the swarthy stereotype of Spaniards. In fact, many of them would have resembled the fairer Celtic Irish. Furthermore, the general absence of Spanish surnames would indicate that there was little effect from the shipwrecked maritimer. Rather, the "Black Irish" reflect a much older population.

The Celtic invaders of the British Isles were generally fair haired and light eyed, and, while they brought their language and culture to Ireland, the Celts did not exterminate the inhabitants. Irish mythology generally pictures the heroes as fair complected, and in all likelihood, the aristocracy had that appearance. The Vikings and the Anglo-Normans brought into Ireland a large number of Scandinavian, English, northern French, and Flemish genes well before the Reformation. Names thought of as "typically" Irish like Doyle, Burke, and Clarke reflect Scandinavian, Norman French, and English origins.

The "real" Irish are a mixture of pre-Celtic, Celtic, and Germanic origins, as indeed are their British neighbors and, to some extent, the inhabitants of the Low Countries. They can be dark and almost Latin looking like Colin Farrell or Moira Kelly, redheads (Neanderthals?) like James Cagney or Maureen O'Hara, or blonde and almost Scandinavian looking like Peter O'Toole or Grace Kelly.

45 posted on 01/16/2005 1:22:31 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

How did we go from Scottish to Irish in this post? I am always interested in my ancestry, since it is almost exclusively from the British Isles, including Ireland, but does anyone know more about Scots to input on this discussion? I would hate for it to be left to the Neanderthals at this point! LOL!


46 posted on 01/16/2005 1:27:31 PM PST by TheLionessRN
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To: It's me

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, General Daniel Morgan, Alexander Hamilton, General Layfayette, And countless other Revolutionary War heroes and patriots were ALL REDHEADS.


47 posted on 01/16/2005 1:29:19 PM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: Lazamataz
Neaderthals.

Would explain Maureen Dowd.

49 posted on 01/16/2005 1:35:09 PM PST by jslade (People who are easily offended......OFFEND ME!)
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To: ukie

Where are all the redheaded men out there? I know there have to be famous handsome men with red hair but I can't think of any


50 posted on 01/16/2005 1:37:29 PM PST by TheLionessRN
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