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Documentary Shows Possible Jesus Tomb (Did They Attack Islamic Belief, Too?
CBS News ^ | 2/26/07 | Karen Matthews

Posted on 02/26/2007 3:50:03 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

Filmakers and researchers on Monday unveiled two ancient stone boxes they said may have once contained the remains of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, but several scholars derided the claims made in a new documentary as unfounded...

...Stephen Pfann, a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem who was interviewed in the documentary, said the film's hypotheses holds little weight...

Pfann is even unsure that the name "Jesus" on the caskets was read correctly. He thinks it's more likely the name "Hanun."

Ancient semitic script is notoriously difficult to decipher...

William Dever, an expert on near eastern archeology and anthropology, who has worked with Israeli archaeologists for five decades, said specialists have known about the ossuaries for years.

"The fact it's been ignored tells you something," said Dever, professor emiritus at the University of Arizona. "It would be amusing if it didn't mislead so many people."

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antichristian; christianbashing; christianity; godsgravesglyphs; islam; jamescameron; jerusalem; jesus; jesuschrist; jesustomb; mary; religiousintolerance; simchajacobovici; talpiot; whereisyourgodnow; wheresgodheisalive
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According to the Qur'an (4:157-158), Muslims believe that Jesus was taken to heaven bodily and didn't die.

If they claim that this is Jesus, wouldn't that run counter to the Islamic belief that Jesus is now in heaven - bodily?

So many times "scholars" seem to make claims about Jesus.

I wonder why the MSM generally (not talking about CBS News here) seems to characterize these "findings" or "scholarly" claims about Jesus as undermining Christian doctrine/belief, instead of saying that the supposed findings or scholarly claims undermine Islamic belief about Jesus?

The answer is obvious.

1 posted on 02/26/2007 3:50:04 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist


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2 posted on 02/26/2007 3:51:56 PM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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I wonder if they ever considered the thought that by putting this out (which supposedly undermines Christianity and Christian belief) that they may have unwittingly attacked Islamic beliefs about Jesus.


3 posted on 02/26/2007 3:52:53 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle

More than once, I have seen numerous articles posted here that talk about the same thing - but are from different URL's.

As long as its from a different URL than the others, it's ok.

Ok?


4 posted on 02/26/2007 3:54:56 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle

But maybe you were just adding more links (which may bring up other info) to the thread. If so, that's fine.


5 posted on 02/26/2007 3:56:33 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Its more likely that it contained Fred and Wilma Flintstone than Jesus.

I love these people. They spend their time, money and effort putting down Christians then make "Amazing discoveries" like this one and oh, by the way, try to INVENT that He was married and had kids too!!

Brilliant!
6 posted on 02/26/2007 3:58:29 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle

In your opinion if a story is written about once should we not post any other story about the same subject?


7 posted on 02/26/2007 4:01:02 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: ICE-FLYER

Fred and Wilma...LOL.

Good one.

I know - people like them love to bash Christianity; But, in the process, they sometimes bash Islam as well.

Do they ever realize this?

And do you notice that these "discoveries" they seem to make about Jesus are described as undermining Christianity?

They never seem to say that a "discovery" they make about Jesus undermines Islam, though.


8 posted on 02/26/2007 4:07:06 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I was just posting other links to more articles. There is different info in all of them. Here's another one:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1791583/posts


9 posted on 02/26/2007 4:07:14 PM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: SF Republican

I don't understand what you are jumping on me about. I was just posting other links with more info. What's the big deal? I didn't say anything hostile, just posted links.


10 posted on 02/26/2007 4:08:31 PM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle
Like I said in post #5, I thought that you might be adding more links.

Sometimes there are people here who complain about new URL's bringing up articles that cover topics which have been covered previously by other (but different) URL's.
11 posted on 02/26/2007 4:10:29 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

just to catch up...
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1789769/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1791588/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1791544/posts

..but who's counting


12 posted on 02/26/2007 4:11:36 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle
I simply asked you a question. I will be more sensitive next time and more considerate about your feelings.
13 posted on 02/26/2007 4:13:54 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No, not OK.. but you'll figure it out.


14 posted on 02/26/2007 4:13:57 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: xcamel

I've already read some of these.

But thanks for adding them to this thread anyway.


15 posted on 02/26/2007 4:14:03 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I've been reading about this quite a bit today. I think it's total garbage, but that's what hollywood puts out. I'm simply amazed at the number of articles the MSM has put out about this. Of course, it's assassination of Christ, not glorification.


16 posted on 02/26/2007 4:15:48 PM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: xcamel

Based upon all the previous threads you listed in post #12, it must be ok. Anyway, its not up to you or me on this.

Nothing to figure out...


17 posted on 02/26/2007 4:16:45 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Only CBS News could report this fraud as "News".

They claim DNA "proves" their claims. Did any of our "Journalists" bother to ask them HOW they got a sample of Christ's DNA?


18 posted on 02/26/2007 4:17:52 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( If they say "speaking truth to power,"-they haven't had a l thought since the Beatles broke up)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
at least 4 of them are the exact same story from different URLs. that's just a plain waste of bandwidth.
19 posted on 02/26/2007 4:19:17 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: SF Republican

In your opinion if a story is written about once should we not post any other story about the same subject?

I'm sorry. This question was phrased in such a way as to sound accusatory, not questioning. My feelings weren't hurt, I was questioning the nature of your question. I'm not sure where your line of thought came from as I merely posted links with no remark.


20 posted on 02/26/2007 4:19:55 PM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle
Over 700 articles now on this listed at Google News.

Yeah, the MSM likes this and is pushing this "story," and this "discovery."

I wonder why.

Propaganda outlets..that is pretty much what the MSM has become.
21 posted on 02/26/2007 4:20:05 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: xcamel

You might want to take it up with whomever posted those articles.


22 posted on 02/26/2007 4:21:04 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Not picking on you per se.. just pointing out the "rush to post something" is'nt allways in the best interest of FR.


23 posted on 02/26/2007 4:22:57 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: MNJohnnie

Concerning the "DNA": I was wondering the same thing.

How did they bother to get a sample of Christ's DNA?

Such morons.


24 posted on 02/26/2007 4:22:59 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: MNJohnnie

You know how it is. Some stories are just too good to check.


25 posted on 02/26/2007 4:23:37 PM PST by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and boy, is He ticked off. [I'm trying to keep it clean.])
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I doubt the Moslems are too happy with this sort of nonsense by a Hollywood movie maker.

Heads will probably roll.

26 posted on 02/26/2007 4:24:23 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

It's actually not the first time someone has tried to use DNA testing to prove Christ was who he said he was. There was some guy several years ago, and I can't remember his name, but he said he found the place where Christ was actually hung on the cross and found a piece of the cross that had blood on it. He tested the blood and it had half of the normal chromosomes, so he said that proved Christ was who he said he was. They are all nuts.


27 posted on 02/26/2007 4:25:11 PM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: MNJohnnie

Or, I should say rather, how did they manage to get Christ's "DNA"?


28 posted on 02/26/2007 4:25:12 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: ICE-FLYER

Right.

As if they have the power to bring down Jesus. As if they have the power to make the world believe Jesus was married, had a son (they are probably a descendent of that son), and that this is his body.

His body did not stay in the tomb (not a box), it was gone and the clothes folded neatly there.

How they show their ignorance and their pitiful lives.

Imagine, they do not believe in the Savior so they have no eternal life to look forward to. They have only this measly life.


29 posted on 02/26/2007 4:26:37 PM PST by ClancyJ
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To: xcamel

As if we care about those stupid articles of atheists.

Wonder why they feel the need to post them? Could it be they hope to spread the news that the bones of Jesus were found? Wonder where they plan on getting the DNA to prove anything.

Such petty trash. We know where Jesus is, we know that Jesus appeared to his disciples and that they saw his wounds ----- therefore, the body was not in a grave at all after He arose.
He is in Heaven on the right hand of God.

And I sure don't need any idiot trying to prove otherwise - they do not have the ability to prove any such thing because it is a lie. He was put in a tomb - not boxes, and the body was not there on the third day and the death clothing was folded and left in the tomb.


30 posted on 02/26/2007 4:31:34 PM PST by ClancyJ
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Who was Hanun?
Why should I care that his grave was found?


31 posted on 02/26/2007 4:32:12 PM PST by fogofbobegabay
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Honestly, I don't think that a Muslim even care about it. To them, Muhammad has more honor and credence than Jesus. To them, Jesus didn't even die on the cross but Judas took his place.


32 posted on 02/26/2007 4:39:40 PM PST by Sister_T (The Axis of Idiocy: The LameStream Media, The DemocRATS and the "peaceful" anti-war moonbats)
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To: MNJohnnie

"They claim DNA "proves" their claims"

DNA a couple thousand years old? And if it's still usable, all it could prove is that the people in the tomb were related. Scarcely a revelation.


33 posted on 02/26/2007 4:42:17 PM PST by popdonnelly ([Democrats] are jubilant at our disasters and are cast down when the rebels are defeated -Sept. 1862)
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To: SF Republican
In your opinion if a story is written about once should we not post any other story about the same subject?

If it contains information in the first article, is redundant and not needed, and should be burned

If it contains information not in the original, then it is blasphemous, and must be destroyed. < /Sarc>

34 posted on 02/26/2007 4:43:01 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

News of this type is a blessing. It shows where idiotic man's wisdom runs to; and puts Jesus at the center of debate. 2007 is the wrong year in human history to debate where his body is. The optimium debate was three days after his death, because He told everyone that He would rise on the third day. It was neither the Roman or the Jewish religious rulers' interest to have a body disappear.

Here are portions of the record of history:

Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Mar 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Luk 24:23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.

Joh 20:8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
Joh 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

So where is HE?

Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

The implication is obvious; I pray all that read this post ask Him to forgive and to save your soul from an eternity without Him (Jn 3:16).

Christ loves you.


35 posted on 02/26/2007 4:46:29 PM PST by Salvavida (Restoring the U.S.A. starts with filling the empty pew at a local Bible-believing church.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Love your tagline.


36 posted on 02/26/2007 4:47:56 PM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle

Thanks.

Yours is quite respectable, too.


37 posted on 02/26/2007 4:49:34 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Why, thank you very much.


38 posted on 02/26/2007 4:56:24 PM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Okay, where are the Christians out there beheading, seething and outraged?


39 posted on 02/26/2007 4:58:44 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: indylindy
Okay, where are the Christians out there beheading, seething and outraged?

We're over here.

40 posted on 02/26/2007 5:17:44 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: ICE-FLYER

James Cameron was responsible for this piece of cr_p. His movie "Titanic" was garbage, too. The only thing any good about it were the special effects in the last half hour when the actors shut up. Do you remember the scene when Leo and Kate where running up the stairs trying to escape the rising waters and they bumped into a priest who was praying for everyone's salvation and reciting the Lord's Prayer? The DiCaprio character made some sarcastic, mocking remark to the priest to "hurry up." This is the level of Cameron's intelligence. The Discovery Channel is going to wish they never aired Cameron's latest trash.


41 posted on 02/26/2007 5:20:16 PM PST by WestSylvanian
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To: Disambiguator

Got it. No more need be said.


42 posted on 02/26/2007 5:20:33 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Another attack on Christianity from Discovery/History/TLC.

You might as well get your religious doctrine and church history from Comedy Central.
43 posted on 02/26/2007 5:20:52 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Sunday, February 25, 2007, Yawn and double yawn,

http://www.beliefnet.com/blogs/JWalking/2007/02/yawn-and-double-yawn.html

The bottom line from the whole, "Hey, I found Jesus' bones in a box!" thing by James Cameron - yawn and double yawn. There really isn't anything new - although I have no doubt that there are those who will make it seem like new news. This is a rehash of old accusations made about a tomb discovered 27-years ago. The best piece I've seen about it comes from The Jerusalem Post. Here it is in full: The Israeli-born, Canadian-based filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici is reigniting claims, first made over a decade ago, that a burial cave uncovered 27 years ago in Talpiot, Jerusalem, is the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth and his family. At a press conference in New York on Monday, the two-time Emmy winner Jacobovici and his team - including Hollywood director James Cameron - will detail claims that of 10 ossuaries found in the cave when it was discovered in 1980, six bear inscriptions identifying them as those of Jesus, his mother Mary, a second Mary (possibly Mary Magdalene), and relatives Matthew, Josa and Judah (possibly Jesus's son). Their documentary will be screened this week in the US, UK, on Channel 8 in Israel and around the world. The producers are said to have worked on the project with world-renowned archeologists, statisticians and DNA specialists. But Bar-Ilan University Prof. Amos Kloner, the Jerusalem District archeologist who officially oversaw the work at the tomb in 1980 and has published detailed findings on its contents, on Saturday night dismissed the claims. "It makes a great story for a TV film," he told The Jerusalem Post. "But it's impossible. It's nonsense." Kloner, who said he was interviewed for the new film but has not seen it, said the names found on the ossuaries were common, and the fact that such apparently resonant names had been found together was of no significance. He added that "Jesus son of Joseph" inscriptions had been found on several other ossuaries over the years. "There is no likelihood that Jesus and his relatives had a family tomb," Kloner said. "They were a Galilee family with no ties in Jerusalem. The Talpiot tomb belonged to a middle-class family from the 1st century CE." A spokeswoman for the Israel Antiquities Authority had no comment herself on the documentary and referred inquiries to Kloner, who no longer works for the IAA. The spokeswoman did say, however, that the IAA has loaned out two of the ossuaries that were found in the Talpiot tomb for display by the filmmakers at Monday's New York press conference. She said it was a routine procedure to lend out such artifacts provided the borrowers complied with the necessary handling, transport and insurance requirements and that it did not signal any IAA authentication of claims made in the documentary. Kloner said the IAA had been "very foolish" to agree to the loan. "The left hand there doesn't know what the right hand is doing," he said. The Daily Telegraph reported this weekend that the 10 ossuaries removed from the tomb when it was first excavated "were taken initially to the Rockefeller Archaeological Museum outside the Old City of Jerusalem. Nine were catalogued and stored but the tenth was left outside in a courtyard. That ossuary has subsequently gone missing." But Kloner said the IAA routinely left ossuaries in the courtyard if they were not inscribed and were unremarkable, since it had no room for them all "under our roofs." He added: "Nothing has disappeared." The Jacobovici documentary comes more than 10 years after similar speculation about the so-called Jesus family tomb made world headlines, prompting a London Sunday Times feature entitled "The Tomb that Dare Not Speak Its Name" and a BBC documentary. The assertion that the ossuaries found in the Talpiot tomb were those of Jesus of Nazareth and family members was branded by The Sunday Times at the time as an archeological discovery "that challenges the very basis of Christianity." The makers of the documentary are refusing to discuss its content prior to their New York press conference.


44 posted on 02/26/2007 5:26:49 PM PST by Garvin (As an American, I want to win in Iraq!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Cheek swab?
susie


45 posted on 02/26/2007 6:37:54 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Jesus (Yeshua) was not an unusual name.

No doubt there were many "Jesus" graves.

46 posted on 02/26/2007 7:24:12 PM PST by Salman
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The really sad thing about this farce is that many uninformed will believe it to the peril of their souls. The church began only fifty days after the resurrection of Jesus. Whether you believe in the resurrection or not (and I do) the church began with a huge number of people really believing that Jesus was raised. If his body was in a tomb, and sometimes later his body was joined with that of his mother, and then a brother, etc., sufficient people would know about it for the Jews who were hostile to Christianity to produce the body. Then they could have said, "Here is your messiah". They could have used the remains of Jesus to squelch the movement. The reason they did not is because THERE WERE NO REMAINS. And there still aren't. And a common objection is, and a good one at that, "Where did the authors of this hoax get Jesus' DNA?"


47 posted on 02/26/2007 7:27:32 PM PST by Designed
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To: popdonnelly

Ok, Let me retry this. Where would they have gotten the sample of Christ's DNA they claimed to have used to match it to the body in the tomb?


48 posted on 02/26/2007 7:32:33 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( If they say "speaking truth to power,"-they haven't had a l thought since the Beatles broke up)
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To: brytlea

Ok, Let me retry this. Where would they have gotten the sample of Christ's DNA they claimed to have used to match it to the body in the tomb?


49 posted on 02/26/2007 7:32:57 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( If they say "speaking truth to power,"-they haven't had a l thought since the Beatles broke up)
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To: xcamel; GoLightly

wow. I thought GoLightly's list was large. I guess being away for a day makes a difference.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1790953/posts?page=8#8
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1790953/posts?page=43#43


50 posted on 02/26/2007 7:37:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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