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Church's embrace of Sebelius angers anti-abortion advocates
Lawrence (KS) Journal-World ^ | 2/13/04 | Scott Rothschild

Posted on 02/13/2004 4:00:01 PM PST by madprof98

Topeka — Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and Catholic leaders were arm-in-arm Thursday on the issue of affordable housing, but have been at arm's length on other issues, most notably abortion.

Anti-abortion advocates issued a broadside against Sebelius and the Catholic Church after the governor, who is Catholic and supports abortion rights, was invited to lecture at the University of Saint Mary in Leavenworth.

Mark Gietzen, head of the Kansas Coalition for Life, said Sebelius' campus visit would be a scandal greater than recent ones involving priests who abuse children.

"If the pro-abortion-choice governor is honored as planned by the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church in Kansas will no longer be able to claim to be pro-life," Gietzen said. "We are about to witness a church scandal of far greater proportion."

Thursday, Archbishop James Patrick Keleher was in the Capitol to join forces with Sebelius in calling for efforts to increase the availability of housing for low- and middle-income Kansans.

The two shook hands and spoke briefly together before the news conference.

But Keleher, who heads the Archdiocese of Kansas City in Kansas, has previously been at odds with Sebelius.

Keleher expressed displeasure with Sebelius and her abortion-rights stance a year ago when she took office. He asked Sebelius to move an inauguration interfaith service from Topeka's Assumption Catholic Church, the church Sebelius attends. She refused.

Wednesday, Keleher testified to a House committee in favor of a measure to put a prohibition of same-sex marriages in the Kansas Constitution. Sebelius said the measure was unnecessary because Kansas law already has the same ban.

Asked about Sebelius' visit to Saint Mary, Keleher declined to comment. His diocese covers 21 counties, including Douglas County.

For her part, Sebelius said she had a good working relationship with Catholic leaders.

She met with several bishops this week on issues such as housing, criminal justice and poverty.

"The reality is that the vast majority of views that I hold and act on, I share with the Catholic Conference, and they are comfortable with that and I am, too," she said.

Last year, Sebelius vetoed a bill setting health and safety standards for abortion clinics. She argued that medical personnel -- not legislators -- should develop such standards.

An effort to impose the safety standards is again before the Legislature, and Sebelius said if the exact same bill was sent to her desk, "I'll veto it again."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: catholicpoliticians; sebelius
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There was another piece posted here about the Church in Michigan embracing its own "Catholic" governor, Jennifer Granholm. If this were my archdiocese, I would cut all contributions til the bishop stopped cozying up to these enablers of mass murder.
1 posted on 02/13/2004 4:00:03 PM PST by madprof98
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To: madprof98
...who is Catholic and supports abortion rights.. nope you gotta choose!
2 posted on 02/13/2004 4:01:57 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: madprof98
From the headline I thought the church was against a certain composer's music (much as Wagner's music is ill-regarded in some places because of his anti-semitism).
3 posted on 02/13/2004 4:04:33 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: madprof98
Man, for a moment I was worried about Finlandia.
4 posted on 02/13/2004 4:05:15 PM PST by js1138
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To: madprof98
Just stop giving money!
5 posted on 02/13/2004 4:06:32 PM PST by Nov3
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To: js1138
Heheheh. Me too!
6 posted on 02/13/2004 4:08:34 PM PST by EggsAckley (...............TROLL PATROL...on duty.........................)
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To: madprof98
I am in this archdiocese and I only give to the fund at my parish to support the structure. I figure since I go there and it's a sacred space, I owe them that. Otherwise, for their social welfare stuff etc. I pass. I send my money elsewhere like to Kansans for Life.
7 posted on 02/13/2004 4:09:37 PM PST by Mercat
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To: supercat
I also,

So what is the problem with "Finlandia"??????

8 posted on 02/13/2004 4:20:48 PM PST by John Beresford Tipton
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To: Mercat
I heard from an eyewitness who was there that Kathleen lectured the group on "moral courage" (gag) and criticized those who are "divisive" on issues (I think she was implying those who are "divisive" on abortion).
9 posted on 02/13/2004 4:45:01 PM PST by axel f
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who is Catholic and supports abortion rights...

Sounds about as Catholic as Michigan's Canadian-in Chief Granholm.

10 posted on 02/13/2004 4:46:09 PM PST by grellis (Che cosa ha mangiato?)
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To: madprof98
"She met with several bishops this week on issues such as housing, criminal justice and poverty."

As long as the disregard and wholesale slaughter of children is allowed and condoned, the other problems cannot be solved. If life is not respected from the very beginning, how can one respect life at all.

11 posted on 02/13/2004 4:58:07 PM PST by OpusatFR (Search Google for your posting name. Get a suprise!)
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To: axel f
The latest betrayal is Senator Brownbeck's vote today on the Intelligence committee to investigate Bush's decision to go to war. What a wimp.
12 posted on 02/13/2004 6:11:34 PM PST by Mercat
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I'm not so worried about that. I think Bush is a pretty ethical person and I doubt anything will be turned up. I think Brownback would have looked as if he were covering for Bush if he voted against it. What do you think? Maybe I'm missing something here.

Oh, did I mention that Kathleen's trying to bring John Kerry to Kansas next month to speak at the state's caucus gathering? Oh, the picket sign slogans I'm thinking of...
13 posted on 02/13/2004 6:52:23 PM PST by axel f
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
Gov. Sebelius Abortion voting record
 
LJWorld.com : Sebelius, Shallenburger records on abortion
 
LJWorld.com : Candidates face divisive abortion issue
 
Kansas City Star | 04/22/2003 | Sebelius vetoes conservative measures
 
Kathleen Sebelius on Abortion
 
DodgeGlobe.com:With Sebelius governor, abortion foes shift focus
 
Billboard "Truth Truck" to Rain on Sebelius Inaugural - ORW
 
Sebelius Deceives Catholics
 
Community - Catholic leader wary of Sebelius service

14 posted on 02/13/2004 8:10:13 PM PST by Coleus (Vote for Bush and Traditional Marriage; http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4205947/)
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the ping!
15 posted on 02/13/2004 9:37:33 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: madprof98; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; CAtholic Family Association; ...
"If the pro-abortion-choice governor is honored as planned by the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church in Kansas will no longer be able to claim to be pro-life," Gietzen said. "We are about to witness a church scandal of far greater proportion."

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person -- among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.
Catechism Catholic Church

Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list


16 posted on 02/13/2004 10:33:18 PM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: madprof98
Pro-life bump
17 posted on 02/13/2004 10:44:04 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Mercat
Contact the bishops in Kansas!

From usccb.org

Kansas

Diocese of Dodge City
Most Reverend Ronald M. Gilmore
910 Central Avenue, Box 137
Dodge City, KS 67801

Archdiocese of Kansas City in Kansas
Most Reverend James P. Keleher
12615 Parallel Pkwy.
Kansas City, KS 66109

Diocese of Salina
Most Reverend George K. Fitzsimons
P.O. Box 980
Salina, KS 67402

Diocese of Wichita
Msgr. Robert E. Hemberger, JCL
Diocesan Administrator
424 North Broadway
Wichita, KS 67202

18 posted on 02/13/2004 10:49:27 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
And some other links about Catholic politicians:

The Deadly Dozen

Canadian Prime Minister Taunts Church: "I Am A Catholic And For Abortion"
Catholic Church asks Tom Daschle to stop calling himself a Catholic
On Catholic Politicians and Faith
Vatican Urges Catholic Politicians to Vote Along Church Lines
Senator Santorum on Being Catholic and a Politician

William E. Simon, Sr. and Jr. Devout Catholics, Philanthropists and Politicians
Deadly Dozen senator taken to task over claims of Catholicism
THE BISHOP AND THE SENATOR [author links to FR thread regarding Daschle in her online column]
Blood On Their Hands: Exposing Pro-abortion Catholic Politicians
MI Gov Granholm Proclaims June "Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Pride Month"

Colorado Governor To Media:'WE LOVE OUR CHURCH' [Gov. Bill Owens
U.S. Senator Brownback and Commentator Dick Morris Join Catholic Church
PRIEST REFUSES COMMUNION TO KNEELING PRO-LIFE POLITICIAN [Richard Black, Virginia]
Kerry [Catholic} says he'll filibuster Supreme Court nominees who do not support abortion rights
Pope to MPs: Stop gay marriage

Vatican - Considerations regarding ... homosexual persons
CONFUSIONS ABOUT POLITICAL JUDGMENT AND THE MORAL LAW
Prelate says politicians who back abortion shouldn't go to Communion
Bishop draws fire for targeting Chrétien
Kennedy likens Vatican stance on gay unions to 'bigotry' (oh, go get a job, you little creep)

Ignorance or Malicious Intent? "No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to..."
George Weigel on Authentic Catholic Citizenship, and the Duty of Catholic Politicians to Behave as Catholics
Conservative Catholics urge Church to challenge "dissenters"
[Robert F., Jr.] Kennedy to speak at Festival of Faiths (Environmentalism as religion)
Faithful Catholic Politicians

Catholic Bishops Eye Possible Crackdown of Pro-Abortion Pols
PETITION TO EX-COMMUNICATE PRO-ABORTION CATHOLIC ELECTED OFFICIALS
It is Time to Excommunicate the Politicians
Church vows to fight gay marriage: Catholics pressure pols
Should politicians toe their church line?

Church May Penalize Politicans
Catholic politicians facing dogmatic threat
Bishop appeals to Catholic lawmakers [Wisconsin]
New St. Louis Catholic Archbishop Warns Pro-Abortion Catholic Politicians of Excommunication.
Bishop Objected to AIDS Walk

Wisconsin Catholic Lawmakers Seek Victim Status In Feud With Bishop
Bishop Burke discusses the letters he sent to Catholic politicians
Congressman Places Internal Pro-Abortion Docs in Congressional Record
Flynn: Dems ignore Catholics
Granholm gay rights order "a slap in the face"

Calif. Bishop To Gov. Davis: Pick Abortion Or Communion [formal excommunication?]
California Bishop to Gov: Oppose Abortion or No Communion (New Title)
Sacramento Bishop Challenges Governor on Abortion; Tells Davis to Stop Receiving Communion
Granholm's Bible-thumping Sure to Rile GOP
Bishop: No Communion for Abortion Backers

Legislators can't have Eucharist, bishop says: Don't serve supporters of abortion rights, euthanasia
Wisc. Bishop Tells Pro-Abort. Catholic Pols: Change Your Stripes or Stay Away from Holy Communion
Diocese targets Granholm on abortion
NJ Governor McGreevey a devout Catholic, yet diplomatic {Barf Alert}
Communion ban on lawmakers who back abortion starts furor

Bishop's ban ignites church-state debate
(MI) Governor's effort is first step to give gays special benefits, weapon against religion [Granholm]
(Louisiana) LA Archbishop aims call at some Catholic politicians [Hughes]
Hughes exhorts Catholic pols to toe line
The end of Catholic politicians

Maher's Moment: A look back at Bishop Maher's Denial of Communion to a Pro-Abortion Politician [Lucy Killea]
Bishops rekindle anti-Catholic bias
TREND? "Pro-Abort Politicians "Shouldn't Dare Come to Communion", Madison Bishop Backs Burke
Dolan lauds result of bishop's actions against lawmakers
Catholics Kerry and Kennedy have a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 10,11

Bishop Burke: Just Doing His Job
AS KERRY EMERGES, SO DOES CONCERN THAT AS PRESIDENT HE MAY BE DENIED COMMUNION
Massachusetts Democrats Back Gay Marriage Edict
Archbishop Would Refuse Communion To John Kerry
Leading His Flock: Has the new archbishop of St. Louis crossed a line?

Kerry raps Pope: Senator fuming over gay marriage order
Denial of communion raises stakes for bishops and pro-choice legislators
Roman Catholic church raises some eyebrows by warning politicians
Kerry dodges constitutional ban question (Gay Marriage)
Kerry Signed Letter Endorsing Homosexual Marriage

Kerry Signed Letter Backing Gay Marriage
Could Jennifer Granholm be the St. Thomas More of our time?
Church's embrace of Sebelius angers anti-abortion advocates[Kansas]

19 posted on 02/13/2004 10:53:54 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Coleus
Great links!
20 posted on 02/13/2004 10:55:39 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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