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Unearthed, The Prince Of Stonehenge
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 8-26-2002 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:04:48 PM PDT by blam

Unearthed, the prince of Stonehenge

By Roger Highfield
(Filed: 21/08/2002)

A prehistoric prince with gold ear-rings has been found near Stonehenge a few yards away from the richest early Bronze Age burial in Britain.

Earlier this year, archaeologists found an aristocratic warrior, also with gold ear-rings, on Salisbury Plain and speculated that he may have been an ancient king of Stonehenge.

The body was laid to rest 4,300 years ago during the construction of the monument, along with stone arrow heads and slate wristguards that protected the arm from the recoil of the bow. Archaeologists named him the Amesbury Archer.

Now they have found another skeleton from the same period five yards away. The remains are those of a man, aged 25 to 30, buried in the same posture, on his left side with his face to the north, and legs bent.

His grave was bare, containing only the sharpened tusk of a boar, but contained the basket shaped ear-rings. The man may have been the archer's son, the prince of Stonehenge, said Dr Andrew Fitzpatrick, who led the dig by Wessex Archaeology.

DNA testing on their teeth will be carried out to find out if the two bodies are part of the same royal family.

Around 100 artefacts were found in the archer's grave -10 times as many as at graves from a similar period elsewhere in Britain.

The grave is dated to about 2300BC - around the time at which Stonehenge's inner circle of bluestones was being hauled from the Preseli mountains in South Wales.

The king, who was 5ft 9ins tall, lacked a left kneecap, suggesting he had suffered a serious injury. He was aged 35 to 50 when he died, when he was placed in a timber chamber about three miles from Stonehenge.

A valuation committee must now put a figure on the finds after David Masters, the Wiltshire coroner, declared the discoveries treasure.

The British Museum and the Salisbury and South Wiltshire Museum have both expressed an interest in providing the archer's final resting place.

John and Sylvia Savidge, who own Red House Farm where the burial chambers were unearthed, may receive a cash reward once the treasure has been valued.


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1 posted on 08/25/2002 5:04:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: LostTribe; RightWhale; #3Fan; ruoflaw; JudyB1938; sawsalimb
FYI.
2 posted on 08/25/2002 5:07:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The Brits are WAY overdue for more serious digging in that whole region of the country. A lot has been found, but I think they've literally just "scratched the surface".
3 posted on 08/25/2002 5:09:50 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: blam
I can't wait to see the results of that DNA test. Hope they hurry up.
4 posted on 08/25/2002 5:12:51 PM PDT by JudyB1938
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To: blam
Pre-Abraham thus too early for either Celts or proto-Celts, thus too early for Israelites. Here's a local web site:


http://www.this-is-amesbury.co.uk/enter.html
5 posted on 08/25/2002 5:15:51 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: JudyB1938
Think he may be related to Cheddar Man?
6 posted on 08/25/2002 5:18:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: JudyB1938
What's even more amazing is that many living Britons are descended from these fellows and other prehistoric guests of honor in the burial mounds that dot Britain.

I think I read a year or two ago that some man up in the Yorkshire Dales is the most direct living descendant of the former tenant of a Stone Age skull unearthed not far from where he lives. It's hard for Americans to understand how much archaeological evidence 4 or 5 thousand years of relative dense settlement can leave. You probably can stick a shovel (or a Bobcat) into the soil just about anywhere in England and come up with something of interest. The Barbican area of London, where the old Roman and pre-Roman structures were exposed by the Blitz, is fascinating.

7 posted on 08/25/2002 5:21:14 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: LostTribe
"Pre-Abraham thus too early for either Celts or proto-Celts, thus too early for Israelites."

LOL. You've taken to answering all my questions before I ask them. (Good work)

8 posted on 08/25/2002 5:21:33 PM PDT by blam
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To: LostTribe
"Pre-Abraham thus too early for either Celts or proto-Celts, thus too early for Israelites."

LOL. You've taken to answering all my questions before I ask them. (Good work)

9 posted on 08/25/2002 5:21:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
we can start a whole new cheese and moose thread?
10 posted on 08/25/2002 5:22:57 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: blam
I think Cheddar man was the fellow I was thinking of! Sheesh, can't get much farther away from Yorkshire and still be on the mainland, can I? :blush:
11 posted on 08/25/2002 5:28:23 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: blam
...along with stone arrow heads and slate wristguards that protected the arm from the recoil of the bow.

Firearms having been outlawed, UK journalists must now make do with being ignorant of bows....

12 posted on 08/25/2002 5:39:21 PM PDT by Grut
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To: blam
The Amesbury Archer
Looks Hebrew to the artist

 

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13 posted on 08/25/2002 5:50:33 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: blam
Nice find....the archaeologists, as well as yourself. :)
14 posted on 08/25/2002 5:58:32 PM PDT by Rowdee
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To: blam
More Amesbury Archer & Vicinity.
15 posted on 08/25/2002 5:58:33 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
Thanks for the picture.

"The Amesbury Archer

Looks Hebrew to the artist"

What makes him look Hebrew?

16 posted on 08/25/2002 6:10:40 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Stonehenge At The End Of Phase III

17 posted on 08/25/2002 6:15:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: Grut
LOL! That's the funniest line I've read all week.
18 posted on 08/25/2002 6:19:55 PM PDT by Fabozz
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To: blam
Cool post-thanks for the ping.
19 posted on 08/25/2002 6:26:11 PM PDT by sawsalimb
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To: blam
>>The Amesbury Archer  ---  Looks Hebrew to the artist"

>What makes him look Hebrew?

Process of elimination.  Does he look Oriental? No.

Does he look Negroid?   No.

Does he look (North or South) American Indian?  No.

Does he look European Celtic?  Yes, even though there were no people designated as Celts at this time.

Who were the Celts?  They were Hebrews/Semites/Israelites.  (See the 3-MINUTE HISTORY at my FR Profile below for the details.)

Abraham (2,000 BC) was a Hebrew.  (The word "Hebrew" simply means "stranger" or "wanderer").  Abraham came from a family of "Hebrews" in Ur, in what today is southern Iraq.  There were lots of Hebrews wandering around loose, at least that part of the world at that time.

So what did Abraham, a Hebrew, look like?  No one really knows, but you can work backwards to arrive at a reasoned estimate by looking at Abrahams offspring.  This is far from perfect, but is better than nothing:

To begin, Abrahams offspring are white, or "Causasian".  A quick look at some of Abrahams offspring gives the idea.  These offspring are all contemporary Jews:

Joseph Lieberman, Paul Newman, Ted Koppel, Harrison Ford, Efrem Zimbalist, Jr., Kirk Douglas, Kevin Costner, Stephen Breyer, Yitzhak Rabin, Michael Landon, Lorne Greene, Mike Wallace, Benjamin Netanyahu, William Shatner, Douglas Fairbanks, Cary Grant, Leonard Bernstein, Paul Simon, Ariel Sharon, David Frost, Morley Safer, Ari Fleischer,

Jack Benny, Alan King, Casper Weinberger, Carl Reiner, George Burns, Red Buttons, Sam Levinson, Bernard Goldberg, Robert Downey Jr., Dustin Hoffman, Michael Douglas, Peter Sellers, Tony Curtis, Edward G. Robinson, Wolf Blitzer, Mel Torme, Paul Wellstone, Peter Falk, Leonard Nimoy, Jerry Springer, Arlen Spector, William Cohen,

Barry Goldwater, Robert Rubin, William Roth, Howard Metzenbaum, Hyman Rickover, Robert Reich, Russ Feinberg, Stanley Mosk, Arthur Burns, Milton Friedman, Bill Kristol, Victor Borge, William Kristol, Warren Rudman, etc., etc, etc.

These Jews, which everyone agrees are Hebrews/Semites/Israelites just happen to look like and could easily be confused with their Israelite cousins, European and American whites who are of Celtic origin.  The Celts and the Jews are genetic cousins via Jacob/Israel. All are offspring from Abraham/Isaac/Jacob/Israel, and all are Hebrews, Semites, and Israelites.

This artist has drawn The Amesbury Archer to look like a modern white Celtic man, much like any other white European/American man today, so the artist apparently views the Amesbury Archer as a Hebrew.
 

20 posted on 08/25/2002 7:29:53 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
"This artist has drawn The Amesbury Archer to look like a modern white Celtic man, much like any other white European/American man today, so the artist apparently views the Amesbury Archer as a Hebrew.

Thanks.

21 posted on 08/25/2002 7:43:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: LostTribe
To begin, Abrahams offspring are white, or "Causasian".
The "White Supremacists" are gonna be ticked at that line of reasoning. They won't take the Jewish part too well. LOL
22 posted on 08/25/2002 8:14:30 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
That's right. But then, they are ticked at any line of REASONING! {ggg}. The obvious totally escapes them.
23 posted on 08/25/2002 9:18:24 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow; PatrickHenry
Of interest...
24 posted on 08/25/2002 9:21:43 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: philman_36
Wait until the "White Supremacists" discover they are also semites. Guffaw!
25 posted on 08/25/2002 9:24:37 PM PDT by PaulKersey
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To: PaulKersey
Wait until the "White Supremacists" discover they are also semites. Guffaw!
The whole movement down the drain!
26 posted on 08/25/2002 9:28:53 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: LostTribe
But then, they are ticked at any line of REASONING!
True, true...
27 posted on 08/25/2002 9:29:57 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: AnAmericanMother
So, his farm has been in the family for 4500 years?
28 posted on 08/25/2002 9:41:07 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: LostTribe
"These Jews, which everyone agrees are Hebrews/Semites/Israelites just happen to look like and could easily be confused with their Israelite cousins, European and American whites who are of Celtic origin."


Ever heard of the vikings? They are nordic, not celtic. Teutonic and gallic are not the same, even though in modern day england, the two are mixed and indestinguishable.
29 posted on 08/25/2002 9:50:04 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: philman_36
Most British Israelites, White Supremists and others make the mistake of thinking there are no Jews, only Khazarites.  They find Israelites from the Northern Kingdom in Britain and American and think those are only true remaining Israelites.

Most Jews OTOH think there are no Lost Tribes of Israel.  They think the huge Northern Kingdom was assimilated into the South.  They don't recognize that only a few Israelites were ever called Jews, the vast majority existing today as white Europeans and Americans.

The truth lies between them, but few on either side can see it.

30 posted on 08/25/2002 9:50:30 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: blam
bttt
31 posted on 08/25/2002 9:54:17 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: mamelukesabre
>Ever heard of the vikings?

Are you serious, or just trying to be silly?

>They are nordic, not celtic. Teutonic and gallic are not the same,
even though in modern day england, the two are mixed and indestinguishable.

The Nordics and Gauls are not exactly the same, just as Dutch and Flemish are not exactly the same.  But ALL are Celtic.  Members of the 12 Tribes of Israel were not exactly the same, but they were all Israelites.

Please read the 3-MINUTE HISTORY by clicking on my LostTribe Profile below for the details, and to read a short list of the many Celtic tribes which make up todays Europe and America.

32 posted on 08/25/2002 9:57:39 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
Your posts are always fascinating ; thank you. :-)
33 posted on 08/25/2002 10:03:59 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: LostTribe
5'9"? That's pretty tall for an ancient, isn't it?
34 posted on 08/25/2002 10:06:02 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: LostTribe
Thanks for the lesson. I've never before heard that the nordics are related to the gauls. And to be frank(pun intended), I don't yet beleive you. I will be looking into this. I knew that the celts of the british isles were somehow descended(sp?) of the gauls. And I have heard the theory that the first european celts somehow came from semites that were in the anatolian peninsula and were thought to be one of the lost tribes. THis much I have accepted as probable.

Now, I have one more race for you to explain. The slavs. They are neither gallic nor teutonic and as far as I know, they are not related to neither the celts nor the nordics. I suppose you are going to tell me these too are semites and are the same as celts and nordics?
35 posted on 08/25/2002 10:09:12 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
>Thanks for the lesson. 
My pleasure.

>I've never before heard that the nordics are related to the gauls. And to be frank(pun intended), I don't yet beleive you. I will be looking into this.

Good for you.  The more we study you more we learn.

>I knew that the celts of the british isles were somehow descended(sp?) of the gauls. And I have heard the theory that the first european celts somehow came from semites that were in the anatolian peninsula and were thought to be one of the lost tribes. THis much I have accepted as probable.

If you really want to cut through the haze get right on top of the subject, go to the 20,000+ Assyrian tablets now in the British Museum.  It will change your whole perspective on the population of Europe, as well as how the Old Testament really reads.  If you go to the link at my FR Profile by clicking on LostTribe below and looking for Assyrian Tablets, that author has done an excellent job of bringing those Assyrian Tablets to life in a small and inexpensive but very readible book.  You will never view history the same.

>Now, I have one more race for you to explain. The slavs..... I suppose you are going to tell me these too are semites and are the same as celts and nordics?

Ha!  Nope.  The Slavs are not the same as the Celts.

36 posted on 08/25/2002 10:20:28 PM PDT by LostTribe
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>5'9"? That's pretty tall for an ancient, isn't it?

For which ancients? There are lots of artifacts and records which indicate that is not out of line for Israelites/Celts, both males and females. Neither was 6' way out of line, but neither was it common. For other races, perhaps it was.

37 posted on 08/25/2002 10:26:08 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: nopardons
>Your posts are always fascinating ; thank you. :-)

Thank You for the note. It is appreciated!

38 posted on 08/25/2002 10:27:13 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
:-)
39 posted on 08/25/2002 10:31:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: mamelukesabre
Here's a link to the book on the Assyrian Tablets in the British Museum which I mentioned.
40 posted on 08/25/2002 10:38:45 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
I wonder how most "jews" today accept your theory. What's your take on who is celtic-related in europe? Europe can be grouped into several main groups. The traditional celtic group(irish, guals, britons), the germanic group, the slavic group, the Latin group, and the greeks. All the countries of Europe are mostly a mixed of these groups. Also, all the languages run along these lines. These are the main groups that account for about 99% of Europe's people. I'm just curious to how you might explain the links between these groups.
41 posted on 08/25/2002 10:53:40 PM PDT by sonofron
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To: LostTribe
Thanks for the 3 min. history lesson. I'll go to your links tomorrow.
42 posted on 08/25/2002 11:01:53 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: sonofron
>I wonder how most "jews" today accept your theory.

In my experience, most "jews" don't even think about the subject.  Or if they do, are totally conditioned by their culture, not from having actually objectively studied the subject even a little bit.  Most do not agree strictly as a knee-jerk reaction.  But an increasing number do, including Rabbis with whom I correspond, but who do not feel able to "go public" about it at this time.  It's a matter of "culture" far more than history and theology.

>What's your take on who is celtic-related in europe?

I really go slow on trying to make specific associations because in my mind while it can be fascinating, it detracts from my main interest which is simply describing the association between The Lost Tribes of Israel and the Celts.  Going from the Celts to specific countries is easy in a generic sense, but a source of unnecessary division and potential unhappiness on the other.

Worse, it can lead to a form of "Identity" theology, causing people to instead of concentrating on the word of God and what it means to them as a PERSON, want to identify with a GROUP.  Dividing into groups is the first step towards dividing into YOU and ME,  or US and THEM.  I don't want any part of that.

It you carefully read the 3-MINUTE HISTORY at my Freeper LostTribe Profile below it will give you a solid grounding on basic Israelite history.  Those historic facts, dates and definitions are the critical foundation of everything else.  From there, you can confidently study the Celts and their expansion through Europe and America and see where they went.  But be sure you have a BIG RED PENCIL to correct the many fundamental errors which you will find in copycat books on the market.  Ha!

(A notable exception is Assyrian Tablets in the British Museum.)

43 posted on 08/25/2002 11:19:44 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: sonofron
The Celtic languages are part of the Indo-European Family as are the Germanic, Latin, Slavic and Indo-Iranian languages. Hebrew is part of the Afro-Asiatic Family. There is no relationship whatsoever.
44 posted on 08/25/2002 11:20:36 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: sonofron
Hungarian does NOT fit into any of the catagories you've mentioned and they certainly are Europeans. The Ugaric group, which also includes a segment of Lapps, are quite different.

The " Romance Language Speakers ", which is based on Latin, is batter than " Latins ", as you suggest.

45 posted on 08/25/2002 11:37:06 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: LostTribe
Nice synopsis. Again, thanks. :-)
46 posted on 08/25/2002 11:39:46 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: COB1
Take a break and read this. :-)
47 posted on 08/25/2002 11:40:33 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Eternal_Bear
There is no reason to expect The Lost Tribes of Israel carried the Hebrew language intact past their Assyrian Captivity since they lost virtually all their identity as Israelites prior to their exodus and subsequent diaspora.  That is what their punishment was all about.

(This, despite the impressive documentation by E. Raymond Capt in his outstanding book Assyrian Tablets in the British Museum which shows the extensive Hebrew roots in todays Germanic languages.)

48 posted on 08/25/2002 11:43:07 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
Monday morning bump.
49 posted on 08/26/2002 3:45:29 AM PDT by blam
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To: LostTribe
I am a tall, fair-skinned red-haired person of Irish descent, but I always figured there was some family connection to big ol' red Esau (hence his brother and parents, too).

I find it difficult to narrow down the races before Esau's time, seeing as how there was such a great diference in appearance, including size and coloration, between himself and his own twin brother. I think the previous generations carried the genetic material for all of the eventual human races within their genes, giving birth to siblings who didn't resemble each other. As the generations expanded thepopulation and moved outward and became separated the forming tribes of humans became more and more distinct and racial characteristics developed among the peoples.

I also have type B blood, and have learned that Eastern European Jews have a higher incidence of that blood type than other demographic groups.
50 posted on 08/26/2002 4:05:50 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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