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Amazon ^ | March 2004 | Anatoly T. Fomenko

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History: Fiction or Science? by Anatoly T. Fomenko

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The Phoenicians in Spain: An Archaeological Review of the Eighth-Sixth Centuries B.C.E.: A Collection of Articles Translated from Spanish ed by Marilyn Bierling assoc editor Seymour Gitin

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Appropriate title -- Crick croaked:

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Rosalind Franklin: The Dark Lady of DNA by Brenda Maddox

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Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson by Robert A. Caro

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Greece
50 Ancient Tombs Uncovered (1400BC, Crete) ^
	Posted by blam On News/Activism ^ 07/18/2004 1:17:56 PM PDT · 47 replies · 1,023+ views The Australian ^ | 7-18-2004 50 ancient tombs uncovered From correspondents in Athens July 18, 2004 ARCHEOLOGISTS have discovered 50 tombs dating back to the late Minoan period, around 1400 BC, and containing a number of artifacts on the Greek island of Crete, ANA news agency reported today. The tombs were part of the once powerful ancient city of Kydonia, which was destroyed at the time but later rebuilt. The oldest among them contained bronze weapons, jewellery and vases and are similar to the tombs of fallen soldiers of the Mycenaean type from mainland Greece, said the head of the excavations, Maria Vlazaki. The more...
New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption ^
	Posted by SunkenCiv On General/Chat ^ 07/29/2004 12:25:45 AM PDT · 11 replies · 76+ views Journal of Archaeological Science, Volume 25, Issue 3, March 1998, Pages 279-289 ^ | 13 July 1997 | Gregory A. Zielinski, Mark S. Germani Determining a reliable calendrical age of the Santorini (Minoan) eruption is necessary to place the impact of the eruption into its proper context within Bronze Age society in the Aegean region. The high-resolution record of the deposition of volcanically produced acids on polar ice sheets, as available in the SO42-time series from ice cores (a direct signal), and the high-resolution record of the climatic impact of past volcanism inferred in tree rings (a secondary signal) have been widely used to assign a 1628/1627 age to the eruption. The layer of ice in the GISP2 (Greenland) ice core corresponding to...
Middle East
THE HISTORY OF THE ARAMAIC LANGUAGE ^
	Posted by NYer On Religion ^ 07/22/2004 1:12:20 PM PDT · 25 replies · 267+ views Journal of Near Eastern Studies ^ | Rocco A. Errico and Michael J. Bazzi Aramaic was the language of Semitic peoples throughout the ancient Near East. It was the language of the Assyrians, Chaldeans, Hebrews and Syrians. Aram and Israel had a common ancestry and the Hebrew patriarchs who were of Aramaic origin maintained ties of marriage with the tribes of Aram. The Hebrew patriarchs preserved their Aramaic names and spoke in Aramaic.The term Aramaic is derived from Aram, the fifth son of Shem, the firstborn of Noah. See Gen. 10:22. The descendants of Aram dwelt in the fertile valley, Padan-aram also known as Beth Nahreen.The Aramaic language in Padan-aram remained pure, and in...
Ancient Egypt
13Th Century Tablet Could Lead To Lost Archives Of Ramses II ^
	Posted by blam On News/Activism ^ 09/28/2003 9:31:05 AM PDT · 7 replies · 25+ views ABC News ^ | 9-27-2003 Last Update: Saturday, September 27, 2003. 4:26pm (AEST)13th Century tablet could lead to lost archives of Ramses II The discovery of a stone tablet detailing diplomatic ties between the ancient Egyptians and Hittites in the 13th Century BC could be the key to the lost archives of Ramses II, according to archaeologists. Discovered at Qantir 120 kilometres north-east of Cairo, the tablet dates back to the time of the ancient Egyptian pharaoh, Ramses II (1298-1235 BC) and confirms his capital, Pi-Ramses, was in the Nile Delta. "Its the first time that such a written record has been found in the...
Battlements Found At Egypt's Ancient East Gateway ^
	Posted by blam On News/Activism ^ 07/01/2004 8:17:17 PM PDT · 34 replies · 44+ views Reuters ^ | 6-30-2004 Battlements Found at Egypt's Ancient East Gateway Wed Jun 30, 2004 01:52 PM ET CAIRO, Egypt (Reuters) - An Egyptian archaeological team has uncovered battlements from Pharaonic times at the ancient eastern gateway to Egypt in the north of the Sinai Peninsula, the Culture Ministry said Wednesday. The find includes three fortifications built in the area of Tharu, an ancient city which stood on a branch of the Nile that has long since dried up, a ministry statement said. The battlements stand on the ancient Horus Road, a vital commercial and military artery from ancient Egypt to Asia. The discoveries,...
Digging Out The Truth Of Exodus ^
	Posted by blam On News/Activism ^ 10/12/2003 10:27:46 AM PDT · 4 replies · 11+ views USN&WR ^ | 10-20-2003 | Helen Fields Science & Society 10/20/03Digging out the truth of Exodus By Helen Fields Egyptologist Manfred Bietak was reading a 60-year-old report of a dig near Luxor in Egypt when a surprising find caught his eye. Near a mortuary temple from the 12th century B.C., archaeologists had uncovered a grid of shallow trenches, which they guessed was the base of a workers' hut. Bietak, head of the Institute of Egyptology at Vienna University, recognized the floor plan as that of the four-room houses used by almost all Israelites from the 12th to the sixth century B.C. What was it doing in Egypt?...
Smenkhkhare, the Hittite Pharaoh ^
	Posted by SunkenCiv On General/Chat ^ 07/30/2004 9:42:36 AM PDT · 1 reply · 35+ views BBC History ^ | September 5, 2002 | Dr Marc Gabolde [T]he exclusively masculine epithets referring to this individual in the same tomb and on a now-vanished block at Memphis, confirm that we are dealing with a man - as distinct from the pharaoh-queen Ankh(et)kheperure Neferneferuaten... Contrary to Ancient Egyptian custom, Smenkhkare is not presented under a coronation name and a birth name in his two cartouches, but under two coronation names. The explanation for this curious fact seems to me clear: both his royal names were composed on the occasion of his coronation. He therefore must have had another name beforehand... The absence of a birth name, the lack of...
Climate Change
Mammoth Skeleton Found In Russia's Voronzh ^
	Posted by blam On News/Activism ^ 01/31/2003 9:23:28 AM PST · 2 replies · 6+ views Pravda ^ | 1-31-2003 Mammoth Skeleton Found in Russiaís Voronezh Region Ancient volcanic catastrophe turned out to be a treasure for modern scientistsArchaeologists of the St.Petersburg Material Culture Institute found almost a whole skeleton of a mammoth last summer. The remarkable event happened in Russiaís Voronezh region, not far from the village of Kostenki. Twenty-six objects of the paleolith era have been found in that area since 1879. Every object that was found there, was in a very good condition: hearths, animal bones, constructions made of mammoth bones, stone and bone things, decorations, and works of art. The layers of eruptive ashes were found...
Mesopotamian Climate Change (8,000 Years Ago) ^
	Posted by blam On News/Activism ^ 02/15/2004 11:18:28 AM PST · 56 replies · 40+ views Geo Times ^ | 2-15-2004 Mesopotamian climate change Geoscientists are increasingly exploring an interesting trend: Climate change has been affecting human society for thousands of years. At the American Geophysical Union annual meeting in December, one archaeologist presented research that suggests that climate change affected the way cultures developed and collapsed in the cradle of civilization ó ancient Mesopotamia ó more than 8,000 years ago. Archaeologists have found evidence for a mass migration from the more temperate northern Mesopotamia to the arid southern region around 6400 B.C. For the previous 1,000 years, people had been cultivating the arable land in northern Mesopotamia, using natural rainwater...
Sunken Civilizations
Update on Underwater Megalithic ^
	Posted by callisto On News/Activism ^ 11/21/2001 11:08:00 AM PST · 150 replies · 162+ views EarthFiles ^ | 11.19.01 | Linda Moulton Howe In May 2001, engineer Paulina Zelitzky, President, ADC Corporation, Victoria, B. C., Canada and Havana, Cuba, announced the discovery of megalithic structures 2,200 feet down at the western tip of Cuba. November 19, 2001 Havana, Cuba - The story about a possible megalithic site half a mile down off the western tip of Cuba first broke this past May when a Reuters News Service reporter interviewed the deep ocean engineer who first reported unusual sidescan sonar of the discovery. Her name is Paulina Zelitsky. Ms. Zelitsky was born in Poland, studied engineering in the Soviet Union, was assigned to ...
Update On Deep Water Megalithic Stones and Structures Near Western Cuba ^
	Posted by glock rocks On News/Activism ^ 09/30/2003 4:50:43 PM PDT · 31 replies · 92+ views Earthfiles ^ | September 24, 2003 | Linda Moulton Howe Part 1 - Update On Deep Water Megalithic Stones and Structures Near Western Cuba © 2003 by Linda Moulton Howe † Northeast of Cabo San Antonio, marked in yellow, and down about one-half mile off the westerntip of Cuba are large stones in rectangular and pyramidal shapes. There are also huge unidentified structures that have 90 degree corners and are spread along straight corridors on the white sea floor sand. † † Original high resolution side scan sonar images of large structures a half mile down on the white sand sea floor off the western tip of Cuba, received...
Evidence of ancient city found in depths off Cuba (best article yet) ^
	Posted by spycatcher On News/Activism ^ 12/12/2001 10:37:07 PM PST · 75 replies · 328+ views Toronto Globa and Mail ^ | 12/7/01 | MICHAEL POSNER A team of Canadian and Cuban researchers have discovered the remains of what may be a 6,000-year-old city submerged in deep ocean waters off the western coast of Cuba. Using sophisticated sonar and videotape equipment, offshore engineer Paulina Zelitsky, her husband, Paul Weinzweig, and her son, Ernesto Tapanes, have found megaliths "of a kind you'd find at Stonehenge or Easter Island," Mr. Weinzweig said in an interview yesterday. "Some structures within the complex may be as long as 400 metres wide and as high as 40 metres," he said. "Some are sitting on top of each other. They show very ...
Northern sea baffles archaeologists ^
	Posted by vannrox On News/Activism ^ 03/24/2004 5:37:29 PM PST · 19 replies · 52+ views Pravda ^ | 03/11/2004 12:50 | Grigory Donskov Remains of an ancient civilization discovered in the depths of the Northern sea While some scientists spend all their time and efforts in search of Atlantis, others have already discovered remains of an ancient civilization that had existed on the same territory as present-day Northern sea. With the help of modern technology, archaeologists were able to get a better glimpse of the ancient world. Approximately 10 000 years ago the entire bottom of the Northern sea had been a blossoming valley, inhabited by ancestors of modern-day Europeans. Scientists from the Birmingham University were able to reach such conclusion after reconstructing...
Precolumbian, Clovis, & PreClovis
The Oldest Americans May Prove Even Older ^
	Posted by NukeMan On News/Activism ^ 06/29/2004 4:20:56 PM PDT · 28 replies · 113+ views New York Times ^ | 6/29/04 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD BARNWELL, S.C., June 24 - On a hillside by the Savannah River, under tall oaks bearded with Spanish moss, an archaeologist and a graduate student crouched in the humid depths of a trench. They had reason to think they were in the presence of a breathtaking discovery. Or at the least, they were on to something more than 20,000 years old that would throw American archaeology into further turmoil over its most contentious issue: when did people first reach America, and who were they?
Going Into The Water: A Survey Of Impact Events And The Coastal Peoples Of South-East North America ^
	Posted by blam On News/Activism ^ 01/17/2002 4:08:32 PM PST · 52 replies · 72+ views Cambridge Conference Network ^ | 1-09-2002 Very long but good anthropology/archaeology article Click Here
Will We Ever Find Atlantis? ^
	Posted by sarcasm On News/Activism ^ 11/16/2003 10:59:39 AM PST · 11 replies · 64+ views The New York Times ^ | November 11, 2003 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD omewhere in the imagination, at an intersection of the idealized Golden Age and mankind's descent into manifest imperfection, existed the island civilization of Atlantis. This realm of divine origin was ruled from a splendid metropolis in the distant ocean. Its empire, described by a philosopher as "larger than Libya and Asia combined," enjoyed prosperity and great power.In time, driven by overweening ambition, a common theme in antiquity and not unheard of today, Atlantis set out to conquer lands of the Mediterranean. But in a terrible day and night of floods and earthquakes, Atlantis was swallowed by the sea, sinking into...
Catastrophism
An Impact Event in 3114BC? The beginning of a Turbulent Millennium. ^
	Posted by ckilmer On News/Activism ^ 01/03/2003 8:06:06 PM PST · 40 replies · 39+ views personal.eunet.fi ^ An Impact Event in 3114BC? The Beginning of a Turbulent Millennium. Recurring Phenomenon: The Cosmic DisasterThe Mayan CalendarStonehengeA Possible Source for the 3100 BC Event Collected and commented by Timo Niroma, Helsinki, Finland Go to the Evidence of Astronomical Aspects of Mankind's Past and Recent Climate Homepage Recurring Phenomenon: The Cosmic Disaster Besides the most evident cosmic catastrophes ca. 2200 BC and 2345 BC there are other events during the Holocene that are so widely global and difficult to explain by only the Earth's own mechanisms that a cosmic explanation must evidently be taken into account. The first so-called...
Astronomers unravel a mystery of the Dark Ages ^
	Posted by ckilmer On News/Activism ^ 02/03/2004 2:54:24 PM PST · 62 replies · 53+ views EurekAlert ^ | 3-Feb-2004 | Dr Derek Ward-Thompson Public release date: 3-Feb-2004 Contact: Dr Derek Ward-Thompson derek.ward-thompson@astro.cf.ac.uk 029-2087-5314 Cardiff University Astronomers unravel a mystery of the Dark Ages Undergraduates' work blames comet for 6th-century "nuclear winter" Scientists at Cardiff University, UK, believe they have discovered the cause of crop failures and summer frosts some 1,500 years ago ñ a comet colliding with Earth. The team has been studying evidence from tree rings, which suggests that the Earth underwent a series of very cold summers around 536-540 AD, indicating an effect rather like a nuclear winter. The scientists in the School of Physics and Astronomy believe this was caused...
Comets,Meteors & Myth: New Evidence For Toppled Civilizations And Bibical Tales ^
	Posted by blam On General/Chat ^ 08/11/2002 5:32:56 PM PDT · 16 replies · 69+ views Science Tuesday/Space.com ^ | 11-13-2002 | Robert Roy Brit Comets, Meteors & Myth: New Evidence for Toppled Civilizations and Biblical Tales By Robert Roy Britt Senior Science Writer posted: 07:00 am ET 13 November 2001 "...and the seven judges of hell ... raised their torches, lighting the land with their livid flame. A stupor of despair went up to heaven when the god of the storm turned daylight into darkness, when he smashed the land like a cup." -- An account of the Deluge from the Epic of Gilgamesh, circa 2200 B.C. If you are fortunate enough to see the storm of shooting stars predicted for the Nov. 18...
The Dark Ages: Were They Darker Than We Imagined? ^
	Posted by blam On News/Activism ^ 06/08/2003 10:31:29 PM PDT · 87 replies · 145+ views The Universe ^ | 9-1999 | Greg Bryant The Dark Ages : Were They Darker Than We Imagined? By Greg Bryant Published in the September 1999 issue of Universe As we approach the end of the Second Millennium, a review of ancient history is not what you would normally expect to read in the pages of Universe. Indeed, except for reflecting on the AD 837 apparition of Halley's Comet (when it should have been as bright as Venus and would have moved through 60 degrees of sky in one day as it passed just 0.03 AU from Earth - three times closer than Hyakutake in 1996), you may...
Did Asteroids And Comets Turn The Tides Of Civilization? ^
	Posted by blam On General/Chat ^ 07/11/2002 1:56:44 PM PDT · 76 replies · 131+ views Discovering Archaeology ^ | July/August 1999 | Mike Baillie Did Asteroids and Comets Turn the Tides of Civilization? By Mike Baillie The heart of humanity seems at times to have lost its cadence, the rhythmic beat of history collapsing into impotent chaos. Wars raged. Pestilence spread. Famine reigned. Death came early and hard. Dynasties died, and civilization flickered. Such a time came in the sixth century A.D. The Dark Ages settled heavily over Europe. Rome had been beaten back from its empire. Art and science stagnated. Even the sun turned its back. "We marvel to see no shadows of our bodies at noon, to feel the mighty vigor of...
Evidence for Major Impact Events in the late Third Millennium BC ^
	Posted by vannrox On News/Activism ^ 09/04/2002 4:48:54 PM PDT · 81 replies · 136+ views Evidence of Astronomical Aspects of Mankind's Past and Recent Climate Homepage ^ | FR Post 9-4-2 | Timo Niroma The Climax of a Turbulent Millennium: Evidence for Major Impact Events in the late Third Millennium BC Timo Niroma, Helsinki, Finland The First Intermediate PeriodThe Curse of AkkadTroy IIgThird Millennium BC Climate Change and Old World CollapseNatural Catastrophes during Bronze Age Civilisations Two separate cataclysmsSodom and GomorrahWhere did the impacts occur? The First Intermediate Period Selections from "The Egyptians" by C. Aldred (London 1987). "At this distance of time, the overthrow of the Old Kingdom at the end of the Sixth Dynasty has all the appearance of being sudden and complete. "Recent research has attributed the abrupt nature of...
Meteor Clue To End Of Middle East Civilisations ^
	Posted by blam On News/Activism ^ 01/03/2002 10:50:09 PM PST · 72 replies · 311+ views The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-04-2001 | Robert Matthews Meteor clue to end of Middle East civilisations By Robert Matthews, Science Correspondent (Filed: 04/11/2001) SCIENTISTS have found the first evidence that a devastating meteor impact in the Middle East might have triggered the mysterious collapse of civilisations more than 4,000 years ago. satellite images of southern Iraq have revealed a two-mile-wide impact crater caused by a meteor Studies of satellite images of southern Iraq have revealed a two-mile-wide circular depression which scientists say bears all the hallmarks of an impact crater. If confirmed, it would point to the Middle East being struck by a meteor with the violence equivalent ...
Miscellaneous
Drilling Finds Crater Beneath Va. Bay ^
	Posted by Rebelbase On News/Activism ^ 06/01/2004 4:21:15 PM PDT · 63 replies · 25+ views AP via Yahoo ^ | Tue Jun 1 2004 | Staff CAPE CHARLES, Va. - Geologists drilling half a mile below Virginia's Eastern Shore say they have uncovered more signs of a space rock's impact 35 million years ago. For more than two weeks, scientists drilled around the clock alongside a parking lot across the harbor from Cape Charles. They stopped at 2,700 feet. From the depths came jumbled, mixed bits of crystalline and melted rock that can be dated, as well as marine deposits, brine and other evidence of an ancient comet or asteroid that slammed into once-shallow waters near the Delmarva Peninsula. Cape Charles is considered Ground Zero for...
Probe To 'Look Inside' Asteroids ^
	Posted by blam On News/Activism ^ 07/28/2004 8:22:08 AM PDT · 24 replies · 249+ views BBC ^ | 7-28-2004 | Paul Rincon Probe to 'look inside' asteroids By Paul Rincon BBC News Online science staff in Paris, France Studies of asteroids would aid Earth-protection strategies A new space mission concept unveiled at a Paris conference aims to look inside asteroids to reveal how they are made. Deep Interior would use radar to probe the origin and evolution of two near-Earth objects less than 1km across. The mission, which could launch some time later this decade, would also give clues to how the planets evolved. The perceived threat of asteroids colliding with our planet has renewed interest in space missions to understand these...
Reworked images reveal hot Venus ^
	Posted by Central Scrutiniser On News/Activism ^ 01/14/2004 5:25:16 PM PST · 42 replies · 129+ views BBC ^ | 1-13-03 | Dr David Whitehouse Reworked images reveal hot Venus By Dr David Whitehouse Mars it is not: Reprocessed Venus image As the world looks at Mars, an American scientist has produced the best images ever obtained from the surface of a rather different planet - Venus. The second planet from the Sun is blanketed with a thick layer of cloud. Computer researcher Don Mitchell used original digital data from two Soviet Venera probes that landed in 1975. His reprocessed and recalibrated images provide a much clearer view of the Venusian surface which is hotter even than the inside of a household oven. Original digital...
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Books, Magazines, Movies, Music ^
	Posted by SunkenCiv On Bloggers & Personal ^ 07/11/2004 9:34:44 PM PDT · 52 replies · 245+ views Amazon ^ | March 2004 | Anatoly T. Fomenko History: Fiction or Science? by Anatoly T. Fomenko
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Assertions that Plato just made up the story are a modern invention. : ) Attempts to place Atlantis somewhere besides west of Gibraltar are also modern inventions. Looking for it in Antarctica, or Anatolia, or Santorini, the Andes, the South China Sea, and a host of other places amounts to looking on the sidewalk for the keys you lost in the tavern because the light is better. Regardless of whether the minutaie of the story are just made up -- as I suspect they are, in the same way Herodotus made up conversations in his account of the Persian wars -- there are stories of universal flood found throughout the world.

Settegast cites the example of Catal Huyuk, which was abandoned circa 5500 BC after a 3000 year occupation. The town started full blown on the site, indicating that the culture developed elsewhere. The probable explanation is that its ancestors lived on the now-flooded continental shelf. During glaciation the sea levels were hundreds of feet lower. The lower the altitude (other things being equal), the warmer the climate, and of course the seas would be a handy source of food. There is much more in her book about this, and beyond it.

The best half-book on Atlantis.

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Plato Prehistorian by Mary Settegast

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Thanks for the book read ping..
Spent some time at the Catal Huyuk dig sites chat forum.

wonder if Mary spent some time there?

anyhoo...ya...Huyuk pops up out of nowhere...and their bulding teired condo's for hundreds/to near thousands from the get go.
aggriarian..and having cattle pens..

some strange social behaviour....ie..burry dead family members under the main floor of the house generationally.

How many mud/mortar, small rock/stone/mortar habitations exist from 12,000 BCE earlier..that are obliterated by rising ocean levels....or other catastrophism mechanisms.

still the crowd at the Catal Huyuk site margin these people as Neolithic doofus's...just a bit smarter than the cave crowd.

kinda limiting and dissapointing.

The academic crowd.....with their stunted imagination?

Read a few book reviews on Mary...

Seems her perspectives on form and ident ..occuring at the end of period interval..with new forms appearing..is intimidating to some scholars.

kinda of..."No Mary....Mankind is stupid.....getting smarter over time"...not..."Smart..get stupid..then get smart again"

Mary's got it right....too bad for ther University book/chalk board king.

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Saw this years ago in William Corliss' newsletter, ordered it (possibly from him), read it, highly recommend it. This is a new edition, with a link to the older one:

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The Pyramids: An Enigma Solved by Joseph Davidovits hardcover earlier edition with Margie Morris

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I've posted my Amazon review of this title (see the "in reply to" link here as well) but it isn't up yet (about 10:30 pm Sunday).

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The Synchronized Chronology: Rethinking Middle East Antiquity by Roger Henry hardcover Adobe Reader digital version d/l website The California Institute for Ancient Studies (very Velikovsky-like)

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[reprised from a GGG topic] Zangger discusses the long history (circa 1885, much earlier than I'd thought) of the "Thera was Atlantis" idea, and beginning on page 44 cuts it to ribbons. It should be noted that Zangger has his own book about what was and wasn't Atlantis. ;') Check out pp 48-49 for a summary of the problems with the idea, and an amusing catalog of other things attributed to the eruption.

I bought this book in May, and having started it up tonight with some cherry picking, it looks like something I'm going to read in entire.

The Future of the Past Archaeology in the 21st Century by Eberhard Zangger

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There is, of course a name (and a website) for this. :') I have had this book for years (bought it as a remainder) but have never read it.

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Innumeracy: Mathematical Illiteracy and Its Consequences by John Allen Paulos

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The Brendan Voyage by Timothy Severin	The Jason Voyage: The Quest for the Golden Fleece by Timothy Severin find it in a local library	The Sinbad Voyage by Timothy Severin	The China Voyage: Across the Pacific by Bamboo Raft by Timothy Severin find it in a local library

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A vanity thread, if ever there was one. :')

Saddam's Bombmaker by Khidhir Hamza with Jeff Stein

Hamza ran for it, into exile, fearing he'd be executed as so many of his colleagues had been. The bomb that he built (but had insufficient fissionable material to make go boom) has not been found, but...

Nuke program parts unearthed in Baghdad back yard
Mike Boettcher,
David Ensor,
and producer Maria Fleet

Experts said the documents and pieces Obeidi gave the United States were the critical information and parts to restart a nuclear weapons program, and would have saved Saddam's regime several years and as much as hundreds of millions of dollars for research. David Albright, who was a U.N. nuclear weapons inspector in Iraq in the 1990s, said inspectors "understood that Iraq probably hid centrifuge documents, may have had components, and so it is very important that those items be found." ...Obeidi said he felt unsafe in Iraq after the U.S.-led invasion and that he was getting pressure from different corners of the country. He also said other Iraqi scientists were watching to see if he was safe after he cooperated with the U.S. government. Now that he and his family are safely out of Iraq, Obeidi said he believes other scientists would come forward with other components of Iraq's weapons program.

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Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry by John E. O'Neill Jerome R. Corsi chapter 3 (PDF)

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a reprise from this topic:

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The New Chinese Empire: And What It Means for the United States by Ross Terrill Paperback reviewed by Chang Yun-ping Google search for Ross Terrill	China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Inc.: The Dynamics of a New Empire by Willem van Kemenade tr by Diane Webb library binding reviewed by Orville Schell

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reprised from a couple of FR topics -- from "The True Believer":

Hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all unifying agents. It pulls and whirls the individual away from his own self, makes him oblivious of his weal and future, frees him of jealousies and self-seeking. He becomes an anonymous particle with a craving to fuse and coalesce with his like into one flaming mass... Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a God, but never without belief in a devil... Common hatred unites the most heterogeneous elements. To share a common hatred, with an enemy even, is to infect him with a feeling of kinship, and thus sap his powers of resistance... We have it from Hitler... that the genius of a great leader consists oin concentrating all hatred on a single foe. [pp 85-87]

remind anyone else of a certain election campaign? ;')

George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

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Emmet Sweeney is convinced that Francis Bacon wrote Shakespeare's plays. Here's an example of his reasoning, or if not his stuff that he finds reasonable. This scares me a little, because Sweeney is also interested in Velikovsky.

The Bacon family anecdote in Merry Wives of Windsor
by Emmet Sweeney

Here a clear reference to a Bacon family anecdote about Sir Nicholas, Francis' father, recounted in his book of jests, the Apophthegms (published 1625), is found in Merry Wives of Windsor. Of course, it's possible the author of the plays heard this one in a tavern. Or Francis Bacon inserted it as a signature.

By these standards of proof (and there are pages of this kind of thing) I could prove that I authored Shakespeare's plays after I invent a time machine in the future. :'D Hey, don't laugh -- my future self visited yesterday and TOLD me this was going to happen.

	William Shakespeare: Life of Drama A&E Biography
	Playing with Fire the Folger Consort

I wish the Shakespeare bio video were on DVD. In fact, I wonder why A&E hasn't done that. I'm guessing that Shakespeare's family tree, his will, the marks his house made on the house nextdoor, his grave, and the graves of his immediate family were all hoaxed, or at least chosen at random in order to cover the tracks of the guy who really wrote the plays. ;')

Shakespeare and suicide bombers [To barf or not to barf. That is the ...] ^
	Posted by aculeus On News/Activism ^ 03/01/2004 5:42:43 PM PST · 7 replies · 7+ views Electronic Telegraph | 01/03/2004 | Peter Culshaw Hamlet must be the best known play in the world. We've had a sci-fi Hamlet, a reggae Hamlet; there has doubtless been a naturist Hamlet. But what we haven't had, as far as I'm aware, is an Arabic Hamlet. Until now. The idea may seem strange, but then other cultures are often in a better position to interpret Shakespeare, because in terms of social structure their societies are often closer to the Shakespearean world than our own. Gregori Kozintsev's Russian version of King Lear, for example, with its brooding landscapes and music by Shostakovitch, is ñ for my money ñ...
Farewell Mapplethorpe, Hello Shakespeare (Roger Kimball on NEA, the W. way)  ^
	Posted by NutCrackerBoy On News/Activism ^ 01/29/2004 10:37:21 AM PST · 99 replies · 13+ views National Review Online | January 29, 2004 | Roger Kimball Farewell Mapplethorpe, Hello Shakespeare The NEA, the W. way. By Roger Kimball Under normal circumstances, the White House announcement that the president was seeking a big budget increase for the National Endowment for the Arts might have been grounds for dismay. Pronounce the acronym "NEA," and most people think Robert Mapplethorpe, photographs of crucifixes floating in urine, and performance artists prancing about naked, smeared with chocolate, and skirling about the evils of patriarchy. Thanks, but no thanks. But things have changed, and changed for the better at the NEA. The reason can be summed up in two trochees: Dana Gioia,...
Church where Shakespeare is buried beneath under threat ^
	Posted by freedom44 On News/Activism ^ 01/03/2004 7:35:22 PM PST · 13 replies · 5+ views ChannelNewsAsia | 1/3/04 | ChannelNewsAsia Stratford-upon-Avon, England : The church where England's most celebrated playwright William Shakespeare was baptised and buried is being eaten away by dry rot and an infestation of death watch beetles. Repairs to the crumbling parapet outside the 800-year-old church in Stratford-upon-Avon are almost complete. But other vital restoration work is still ongoing. And it's feared there won't be enough money to finish the job. The cost of restoration is expected to hit the 150,000-pound mark (US$250,000) -50 percent higher than estimated. But friends of the church say falling visitor numbers are making it difficult to raise the funds. Church Trustees...
At Least Shakespeare's Tyrants Went Down Fighting ^
	Posted by quidnunc On News/Activism ^ 12/18/2003 10:37:21 AM PST · 9 replies · 4+ views The Toronto Sun | December 18, 2003 | Salim Mansur The words of Maj.-Gen. Raymond T. Odierno of the U.S. 4th Infantry Division may well be the final epitaph for Saddam Hussein. The general said, "He was just caught like a rat." This is what tyrants are: despicable, petty human beings. And when denuded of the ill-gotten power with which they terrorize the weak, the innocent and the defenceless, they are unmasked as slinking cowards. As Saddam's dreadful image filled our television screens, I reached for my copy of the complete works of Shakespeare. It is instinctive to seek the Bard's advice, comfort, insight or wisdom on any situation, for...
Shakespeare Isn't P.C. (Thought Police Rewrite Textbooks)  ^
	Posted by yankeedame On News/Activism ^ 08/19/2003 9:20:49 AM PDT · 28 replies · 18+ views NewMax.Com | Tuesday, Aug. 19, 2003 | staff writer How the Thought Police Rewrite Textbooks and America's History NewsMax.com Wires Tuesday, Aug. 19, 2003 MIAMI ñ Diane Ravitch hammers away and hammers away, and even a reader going into her book with a healthy dose of skepticism comes away with the conviction that the "language police" must be fired. It's hard to believe when she says guidelines by the Scott Foresman-Addison Wesley textbook publishers demand that people "over the age of 65 must be fully represented in text and illustrations; there must be a larger number of older women than older men, because 55 percent of older persons are...
Yellow books should be for phone numbers (Shakespeare Needs No Dumbing Down) ^
	Posted by presidio9 On News/Activism ^ 06/10/2003 7:52:12 AM PDT · 6 replies · 2+ views The Sydney Morning Herald | June 11 2003 | Matthew Gibbs There's something rotten in the state of publishing. I've been a long-time admirer of the cheeky yellow self-help books for Dummies. From investing to home brewing, they offer the challenged reader guidance on mastering life's complexities. But now they've gone too far - Shakespeare for Dummies. This way madness lies. What's dumb is thinking that Shakespeare needs to be dumbed down, as if the unadulterated Bard is too hard . advertisement advertisement If Shakespeare's words and expressions need simplifying, why is our own everyday language crammed with them? For evidence, look no further than the pages of newspapers - and...
Anthropologist says Shakespeare might have smoked marijuana ^
	Posted by MikalM On News/Activism ^ 05/13/2003 9:06:56 PM PDT · 26 replies · 7+ views Minneapolis-St. Paul Star-Tribune | 5/4/03 | Peg Meier <p>To toke or not to toke? That is one question.</p> <p>Several 17th-century clay pipes found at the site of William Shakespeare's home were used to smoke marijuana, a South African anthropologist says. Although he has no proof that the Bard was the guy who smoked the pipes, he surmises that some of Shakespeare's sonnets and plays also lend credence to the possibility that the writer smoked marijuana for inspiration.</p>
Why Shakespeare Is For All Time ^
	Posted by Hobsonphile On News/Activism ^ 01/14/2003 8:28:22 PM PST · 4 replies · 12+ views City Journal | Winter, 2003 | Theodore Dalrymple A decade ago, the psychiatrist Peter Kramer published a book called Listening to Prozac, which claimed that our understanding of neurochemistry was so advanced that we would soon be able to design- and no doubt to vary- our personalities according to our tastes. Henceforth there would be no more angst. He based his prediction upon the case histories of people given the supposed wonder drug who not merely recovered from depression but emerged with new, improved personalities. Yet the prescription of the drug (and others like it) to millions of people has not noticeably reduced the sum total of human...
A Scholar Recants on His 'Shakespeare' Discovery ^
	Posted by a-whole-nother-box-of-pandoras On News/Activism ^ 06/25/2002 11:53:32 AM PDT · 15 replies · 6+ views NY Times | June 20, 2002 | William S. Niederkorn June 20, 2002 A Scholar Recants on His 'Shakespeare' Discovery By WILLIAM S. NIEDERKORN n 1995 Donald Foster, a professor of English at Vassar College, made a startling case for Shakespeare's being the author of an obscure 578-line poem called "A Funeral Elegy." After a front-page article about his methods of computer analysis in The New York Times -- and after his reputation was further burnished by unmasking Joe Klein as the author of "Primary Colors" -- the poem was added to three major editions of Shakespeare's works. Now, in a stunning development that has set the world of Shakespeare...
Odd Portrait Has Many Guessing Shakespeare Was Gay ^
	Posted by socal_parrot On General/Chat ^ 04/23/2002 10:14:28 AM PDT · 15 replies · 24+ views Yahoo! News | 4/23/02 | Mike Collett-White By Mike Collett-White LONDON (Reuters) - A 400-year-old painting previously believed to be that of a woman has been found to portray the male patron and friend of William Shakespeare, its owner said on Tuesday. The picture of the Earl of Southampton, featuring a figure with long, black curly hair, pursed red lips, an earring and a slender right hand, has prompted speculation in British media that Shakespeare was gay. "He is wearing perfectly fashionable male attire of the day, but the earring and the hair are effeminate and unusual for the 1590s," the painting's owner Alec Cobbe told Reuters....
SHAKES-QUEER? New Evidence Emerges to Prove William Shakespeare may be Gay ^
	Posted by codebreaker On News/Activism ^ 04/21/2002 4:57:32 PM PDT · 102 replies · 26+ views Ananova Breaking News Wire and the London Daily Sun | Monday, April 22, 2002 00:14 GMT | What Tomorrow's Newspapers Say Staff Ananova Breaking Wire-What the Papers Say-The London Daily SunSHAKESQUEERMe thinks new evidence has emerged that doth suggest William Shakespeare might have been gay.I RULETony Blair delivered an astonishing slapdown to Gordon Brown yesterday by stressing that Britain had elected him to run the country not the chancellorStory Filed: 00:14 Monday, April 22, 2002 Greenwich Mean Time

[SunkenCiv]

Buncha pederasts!

The Spartans: The World of the Warrior-Heroes of Ancient Greece, from Utopia to Crisis and Collapse by Paul Cartledge

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Out of the Ashes: The Resurrection of Saddam Hussein by Andrew Cockburn Patrick Cockburn

The Clinton administration had left the Bush approach (apart from an offhand remark by the President-elect, hurriedly renounced, to the effect that normal relations with Saddam were possible). Sanctions were maintained as rigorously as ever. In 1993, Vice President Al Gore announced plans to seek a United Nations investigation of war crimes by the Iraqi regime, though nothing further was ever heard of the idea. When details emerged of a scheme by elements of the Iraqi security service, in association with a gang of whisky smugglers, to assassinate ex-president George Bush during a visit to Kuwait in 1993, Clinton fired off twenty-three cruise missiles at Iraqi intelligence headquarters in Baghdad, one of which went astray and killed Leilah Attar, Iraq's leading female artist. In secret, Clinton reaffirmed Bush's directive to the CIA to unseat Saddam. [ p 165 ]]

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[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Now that looks like some good stuff.

[SunkenCiv]

I lucked out, a while back, found a copy of the book (badly damaged dj) for next to nothing in the used bin at the enormous chain bookstore. :')

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I am thinking about getting 3 copies of the following book for each of my kids and their kids to see if I can stir up some interest in Science :

100 Billion Suns:
The Birth, Life, and Death of the Stars

Rudolf Kippenhahn
Translated by Jean Steinberg

Paper | 1993 | $22.95 / £14.95 | ISBN: 0-691-08781-4
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How are the nuclear power plants we call "stars" formed? Where do they get their energy and how do they die--and what does this suggest about the future of the universe? One of the most popular books written on astrophysics, 100 Billion Suns provides an exhilarating and authoritative life history of the stars.

Reviews:

"Writing with Asimov-like clarity, [Rudolf Kippenhahn] makes exciting reading of the advances modern technology has brought to our knowledge of what is really happening out there in the Milky Way and far beyond."--Publishers Weekly

"Kippenhahn has produced an excellent and most readable book. . . . Come on all you amateurs or armchair enthusiasts out there, read it and enjoy astrophysics as it really is!"--New Scientist

"A thoroughly delightful and informative book."--The New York Times Book Review

"An admirable introduction to the difficult subject of stellar evolution accurately aimed at the general reader."--Nature

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Paper: Not for sale in the Commonwealth (except Canada)

[SunkenCiv]

Ragz International is an online history source and forum that's actually not bad. The forums have some know-it-all running amok though. ;')

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Ancient Voices The Birth Of Civilization A History Of The Mesopotamian World by Robert A. Guisepi found it here

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[SunkenCiv]

Here's an older (much older) title they may also enjoy. I got it off the $1 rack at Argos (a local used bookstore that's been there for years, various owners) a couple of years ago, on the strength of Shipman's discussion of Halton Arp. It's well-written, not obtuse at all, and covers Arp because of his then-recently proffered dissident view regarding quasars. Shipman thought Arp's view would become significant; it is, but Arp himself wound up in de facto exile in Europe, unable to find work or even telescope time in the US.

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Black Holes, Quasars, and the Universe by Harry L Shipman paperback first edition

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The Linear B Tablets and Mycenaean Social, Political, and Economic Organization
Lesson 25, The Prehistoric Archaeology of the Aegean ^ | Revised: Friday, March 18, 2000 | Trustees of Dartmouth College

Posted on 08/29/2004 8:19:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

KO-RE-TE, PO-RO-KO-RE-TE [koreter, prokoreter] -- Such officials are known at both Knossos and Pylos. The titles bear a suspiciously close resemblance to the Latin terms curator and procurator ("guardian" and "manager, imperial officer/governor" respectively). The Linear B evidence suggests that the koreter was a local official in charge of one of the sixteen major administrative units within the Pylian kingdom, and the prokoreter was evidently his deputy.

(Excerpt) Read more at projectsx.dartmouth.edu ...

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A Proper Dating of the Linear B Tablets
by Jesse E. Lasken
ESOP 1993 v 22

While there is general agreement that the language of the Linear B tablets was Greek, many words lack clear cut Greek etymologies and have not been satisfactorily translated. This has led to suggestions that the tablets may contain a sort of jargon combining several languages. I will demonstrate the equivalence of the Mycenaean terms ko-re-te, po-ko-re-te, e-qu-ta, and ra-wa-ke-ta [with] the Latin terms curator, procurator, equite, and legatus and discuss other evidence suggesting that Latin was included in the Linear B tablets. I am not disputing that Mycenaean is a Greek tongue; however, the scribes who prepared these tablets were also using, to a limited extent, certain Latin terms and constructions.

Lasken is often wrong, sez Ev Cochrane, and I have to agree in certain cases (I won't give you one example Cochrane cited, it's too far gone :'), but he seems to be onto something here. He claims that some Linear B tablets contain Latin terms, and must date after circa 207 BC. This is not to say that they all must, nor does it take into account the fact that Latin is older than this and the loan vocabulary could have resulted from the extensive commerce, but not so much older that the existence of the Greek Dark Age isn't shown to be imaginary. :') Notice that the Dartmouth paper just mentions a couple of these as suspicious, but offers no critique of it.

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The GGG Digest -- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 4ConservativeJustices; A.J.Armitage; ...

GGG, back toward ancient languages.

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2 posted on 08/29/2004 8:20:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)

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[SunkenCiv]

A Proper Dating of the Linear B Tablets
by Jesse E. Lasken
ESOP 1993 v 22

While there is general agreement that the language of the Linear B tablets was Greek, many words lack clear cut Greek etymologies and have not been satisfactorily translated. This has led to suggestions that the tablets may contain a sort of jargon combining several languages. I will demonstrate the equivalence of the Mycenaean terms ko-re-te, po-ko-re-te, e-qu-ta, and ra-wa-ke-ta [with] the Latin terms curator, procurator, equite, and legatus and discuss other evidence suggesting that Latin was included in the Linear B tablets. I am not disputing that Mycenaean is a Greek tongue; however, the scribes who prepared these tablets were also using, to a limited extent, certain Latin terms and constructions.

Lasken is often wrong, sez Ev Cochrane, and I have to agree in certain cases (I won't give you one example Cochrane cited, it's too far gone :'), but he seems to be onto something here. He claims that some Linear B tablets contain Latin terms, and must date after circa 207 BC. This is not to say that they all must, nor does it take into account the fact that Latin is older than this and the loan vocabulary could have resulted from the extensive commerce, but not so much older that the existence of the Greek Dark Age isn't shown to be imaginary. :') Notice that the Dartmouth paper just mentions a couple of these as suspicious, but offers no critique of it.

Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest -- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

[SunkenCiv]

GGG, back toward ancient languages.

Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest -- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

[AndrewC]

Thanks for the ping

[SunkenCiv]

You're most welcome.

[SunkenCiv]

Saw this book locally today and picked it up. Much cheaper through Amazon. A whole section on Velikovsky. Recognized the author's name from his website, which was linked from Jerry Pournelle's.

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Kicking the Sacred Cow: Questioning the Unquestionable and Thinking the Impermissable by James P. Hogan James P. Hogan

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NOT A PING LIST, merely posted to: AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; chilepepper; Eastbound; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; medved; Swordmaker; the_Watchman; VadeRetro; vannrox

[SunkenCiv]

The Yom Kippur War: And the Airlift Strike That Saved Israel by Walter J. Boyne The Two O'Clock War: The 1973 Yom Kippur Conflict and the Airlift That Saved Israel (hardcover has diff title)

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Tesla: Man Out of Time by Margaret Cheney

"Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point in the universe. This idea is not novel... We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians... Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic.? If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic - and this we know it is, for certain - then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature."

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[SunkenCiv]

I'm now at 896, which is my second-highest ever rating as a reader reviewer on Amazon (AFAIK, my highest was 895). Sooo, I'm like many others, a many-way tie for 896. Ah well, I need more "yes" votes, and I'm not shy about begging for 'em:

My Reviews

Amazon seems reluctant to post some of my reviews, even those which are not of political works. Since Amazon seems to employ plenty of single-party-state-leftist twerps, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they'd want to repress other views.

[ValerieUSA]

COOL!
How do we cast a yes vote for you, Holy_Olio?

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Val. If you like my review of something, click "Yes" it was helpful. There's also a rating system for ListMania lists, but I'm not sure what that does (adds in, separate score, or absolutely nothin').

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How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must) by Ann Coulter	Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism by Ann Coulter	Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right by Ann Coulter	High Crimes and Misdemeanors: The Case Against Bill Clinton by Ann Coulter

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Unfounded Loyalty: An In-Depth Look into the Love Affair Between Blacks and Democrats by Wayne Perryman reviewed

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[SunkenCiv]

saw this title in the James Hogan book.

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Escape from Einstein by Ronald R. Hatch

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[SunkenCiv]

well, it's about freakin' time...

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Star Trek The Original Series The Complete First Season William Shatner et al	Star Trek The Original Series The Complete Second Season William Shatner et al	Star Trek The Original Series The Complete Third Season William Shatner et al

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[SunkenCiv]

from my profile page:

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God Gave Adam the Finger (Michelangelo)
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Voyages of the Pyramid Builders: The True Origins of the Pyramids from Lost Egypt to Ancient America by Robert M. Schoch, Ph.D. with Robert Aquinas McNally	Voices of the Rocks: A Scientist Looks at Catastrophes and Ancient Civilizations by Robert M. Schoch, Ph.D. with Robert Aquinas McNally

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[SunkenCiv]

Saw your post there:

230 posted on 11/28/2002 6:00:39 AM PST by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/796256/posts?page=230#230

Thought I'd ping you. See the in-reply-to link here.

[SunkenCiv]

saw this one in (of all places) Walden. Looks like my next superfluous book purchase. What can I tell ya, I've had some gift certificates and whatnot to use up, and wanna do it before the end of the month, when that 10 per cent off card expires. :')

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The Birth of Plenty: How the Prosperity of the Modern World was Created by William Bernstein

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[SunkenCiv]

Multiregionalist ping.

Ancient Humans Took Up Coastal Life
125,000 Years Ago, Study Suggests
AP
May 3, 2000

Scientists say they have discovered the earliest well-dated example of an oyster bar: a fossil reef on Africa's Red Sea coast where ancestral humans apparently waded out to collect oysters, clams and crabs some 125,000 years ago... A site in South Africa also shows signs that ancient humans lived along a coast and harvested shellfish. The researchers noted evidence that this site is 10,000 years younger than the Eritrea site.

Despite the attempts to spin the results by folks quoted in the article, this is the evidence for a spread of a maritime culture into Africa from the Middle East.

The Ancient Tomb of a Young Child
Discover
November 1998

Now a Belgian archeological team has found the skeleton of a child in the Nile Valley of southern Egypt that may be as much as 80,000 years old. The site may well be Africa's oldest intentional burial... Pierre Vermeersch from the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium and his colleagues discovered the skeleton at Taramsa Hill. For hundreds of thousands of years, humans and more ancient hominids visited Taramsa to make stone tools, and Vermeersch had been tracking the progress of this industry... Though many stone tools were found near the body, none can be clearly associated with the burial. "We are in a place where they made hundreds of thousands of tools," says Vermeersch, "so everywhere, everything is full of artifacts." ...The slender bones and rounded forehead are clearly those of a modern human. The teeth and skull also resemble those of equally old human remains in both East Africa and the Middle East and suggest a connection, Vermeersch says, between these two populations.

On the way into Africa, a nomadic family experienced the loss of a child...

[blam]

"On the way into Africa, a nomadic family experienced the loss of a child..."

My opinion also.

[SunkenCiv]

I've been reading this for a few weeks, got it out of the library. The review link points to what I believe is a retitled, perhaps revised, edition of the book.

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Invasion: The Roman Invasion of Britain in the Year AD 43 and the Events Leading to Their Occupation of the West Country by John Peddie reviewed

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Conquest: The Roman Invasion of Britain by John Peddie

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[SunkenCiv]

I was looking for topics about Carthage, and found that Richard Poe is a FR member (last post in July 2004).

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Black Spark, White Fire Richard Poe Why I am (Probably) a Paleoconservative

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[SunkenCiv]

go ahead, view source and steal it! I dare ya! Wrote the HTML in TexEdit+ (Mac).

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October
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December
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A New Chronology
Synopsis of David Rohl's book "A Test of Time" by John Fulton
Topic: Christianity
Debate Topics: Historical
Posted by: Scythian () * 05/17/99 21:13:10 PDT
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3740e8e50733.htm

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Pharaohs and Kings - A Test of Time
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/rohl-1.htm ^ | David M. Rohl
Posted on 07/31/2002 7:35:06 PM PDT by Scythian
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/725672/posts