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Sea gives up Neanderthal fossil [ dredged up from the North Sea ]
BBC ^ | Monday, June 15, 2009 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 06/15/2009 8:19:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Scientists in Leiden, in the Netherlands, have unveiled the specimen -- a fragment from the front of a skull belonging to a young adult male. Analysis of chemical "isotopes" in the 30,000-60,000-year-old fossil suggest a carnivorous diet, matching results from other Neanderthal specimens... The Neanderthal frontal bone is the first known "archaic" human specimen to have been recovered from the sea bed anywhere in the world. It was found among animal remains and stone artefacts dredged up 15km off the coast of the Netherlands in 2001. The fragment was spotted by Luc Anthonis, a private fossil collector from Belgium, in the sieving debris of a shell-dredging operation... The North Sea fossil also bears a lesion caused by a benign tumour -- an epidermoid cyst -- of a type very rare in humans today... Dr Mike Richards, also from the Max Planck Institute in Leipzig, analysed... isotopes, of the elements nitrogen and carbon in the fossilised bone... results show he was an extreme carnivore, surviving on a diet consisting largely of meat... other research suggests that in Gibraltar, on the southern coast of Iberia, some Neanderthals were exploiting marine resources, including dolphins, monk seals and mussels. Researchers decided against carbon dating the specimen; this requires the preservation of a protein called collagen. Professor Hublin explained that while there was some collagen left in the bone, scientists would have needed to destroy approximately half of the fossil in order to obtain enough for dating.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; creation; doggerland; evolution; fossil; fossils; godsgravesglyphs; iceage; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; netherlands; northsea; science; underseaarcheology
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To: SunkenCiv

*HAR*


21 posted on 06/15/2009 9:03:20 AM PDT by Monkey Face (RUN, SARAH, RUN! ~~ (Stolen from redhead))
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To: SunkenCiv

The idea that some early Americans came from europe is interesting. We really don’t have a clue when boats first arose and if they were much earlier than we think ther could easily be submerged along ancient shorelines.

The oversea distances needed to hop from europe to America would have been much less than they are today.


22 posted on 06/15/2009 9:08:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree.


23 posted on 06/15/2009 9:18:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Kolokotronis

Thanks! There’s a recent related topic around here somewhere... let’s see...

Race to preserve the world’s oldest submerged town [ Pavlopetri in Greece ]
PhysOrg.com | May 11th, 2009 | University of Nottingham
Posted on 05/15/2009 6:00:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2251503/posts


24 posted on 06/15/2009 9:21:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow, all that from one small chunk of bone. Amazing /sarc


25 posted on 06/15/2009 9:28:05 AM PDT by Dustbunny ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. " Ronald Reagan)
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To: SunkenCiv

You mean like the key words the evolutionists insert in threads they disapprove of?


26 posted on 06/15/2009 9:56:34 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

The childishness of the participants in the cre/vo “debate” is exactly the same on both sides. Feel better now?


27 posted on 06/15/2009 10:09:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Clearly the skull of a Gao'uld symbiote.

28 posted on 06/15/2009 10:11:37 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

:’)


29 posted on 06/15/2009 10:21:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well I’m no physician but I would think an epidermal cyst would be located in/on/about the epidermis, and how did that get fossilized and survive all those thousands of years in the North Sea?


30 posted on 06/15/2009 10:40:28 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Confirm thy soul in self-control, thy liberty in law.)
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To: SunkenCiv

lol


31 posted on 06/15/2009 11:06:14 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (Hey there, White House Ha Ha Charade you are)
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To: SunkenCiv

Entire civilizations have been concocted from from bones like this.

Even an eloaborate story about the tribal life, dining arrangements, and family living conditions have been described using pieces like this to ‘prove’ evolution.

So... where are the missing links? just one? You know, the species where an ‘evolving’ fish only had half a set of legs that drew larger and larger until they waked on land?

They didn’t ‘evolve’ complete legs or wings all at once, did they?


32 posted on 06/15/2009 12:26:07 PM PDT by Mr. K (physically unabel to proofreed (<---oops))
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To: cripplecreek
The idea that some early Americans came from europe is interesting. We really don’t have a clue when boats first arose and if they were much earlier than we think ther could easily be submerged along ancient shorelines. The oversea distances needed to hop from europe to America would have been much less than they are today.

During the last Ice Age, there would have been a continuous walking path along the northern glacial ice. There probably would have been seals to hunt all along that path, too.

33 posted on 06/15/2009 12:30:23 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: SunkenCiv

They, could tell from that, that this is part of a neanderthal young male?

Outstanding.


34 posted on 06/15/2009 1:09:21 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Mr. K
Entire civilizations have been concocted from from bones like this.
Name one.
Even an eloaborate story about the tribal life, dining arrangements, and family living conditions have been described using pieces like this to 'prove' evolution.
Name one.
So... where are the missing links? just one? You know, the species where an 'evolving' fish only had half a set of legs that drew larger and larger until they waked on land? They didn’t 'evolve' complete legs or wings all at once, did they?
This news story is about Neandertal. Despite the fact that this fossilized fragment of a formerly living man was found on the sea bottom, Neandertal wasn't a fish.
35 posted on 06/16/2009 4:32:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

I believe they said it was rare in modern populations. Reading this, I’m glad of that:

Epidermal cyst and osteolysis of the cranial vault [Article in French]
Guillaud V, Remond J, Balme B, Moulin G.
Service de Dermatologie, Hopital de l’Antiquaille, Lyon.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1304688
In a 40-year old man undergoing, under local anaesthesia, excision of an epidermal cyst located in the frontal region, at the border of the scalp, the operator had difficulties in removing the deep part of the cyst and perceived an underlying bone depression. The depression was caused by a 2 x 1.3 cm wide lacuna in the calvarium, which was subsequently treated by neurosurgeons. Histology showed only fragments of a simple epidermal cyst wall and no evidence of dermoid cyst. The causes of osteolysis associated with congenital or acquired skin lesions are reviewed. In this case, the old age and volume of the cyst may explain the osteolysis by mechanical compression. This case is exceptional since we were unable to find other examples in the literature, apart from dermoid and trichilemmal cysts.


36 posted on 06/16/2009 4:42:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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37 posted on 07/13/2011 5:59:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Vaquero

another one.


38 posted on 04/12/2014 9:14:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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39 posted on 10/21/2017 12:23:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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40 posted on 05/29/2019 9:41:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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