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Mesopotamian Climate Change (8,000 Years Ago)
Geo Times ^ | 2-15-2004

Posted on 02/15/2004 11:18:28 AM PST by blam

Mesopotamian climate change

Geoscientists are increasingly exploring an interesting trend: Climate change has been affecting human society for thousands of years. At the American Geophysical Union annual meeting in December, one archaeologist presented research that suggests that climate change affected the way cultures developed and collapsed in the cradle of civilization — ancient Mesopotamia — more than 8,000 years ago.

Archaeologists have found evidence for a mass migration from the more temperate northern Mesopotamia to the arid southern region around 6400 B.C. For the previous 1,000 years, people had been cultivating the arable land in northern Mesopotamia, using natural rainwater to supply their crops. So archaeologists have long wondered why the ancient people moved from an area where they could easily farm to begin a much harder life in the south. “The challenge to us as paleoclimatologists is to develop much more detailed and well-dated records.” -Peter deMenocal, Columbia University

One reason could be climate, said Harvey Weiss, an archaeologist at Yale University, at the meeting in December. The climate record in ancient Mesopotamia and around the world shows an abrupt climate change event in 6400 B.C., about 8,200 radiocarbon years before present. A period of immense cooling and drought persisted for the next 200 to 300 years.

When the severe drought and cooling hit the region, there was no longer enough rainwater to sustain the agriculture in the north, Weiss says. And irrigation was not possible due to the topography, so these populations were left with two subsistence alternatives: pastoral nomadism or migration.

Archaeologists first start seeing evidence of settlements in southern Mesopotamia shortly after 6400 B.C. In the south, an area too arid to have sustained rain-fed agriculture, irrigation from the Tigris and Euphrates rivers would have been possible where the rivers flow at plain level, Weiss says. Irrigation farming took three to four times the labor effort of rain-fed farming, but irrigation agriculture would have made surplus production easier because the yield was double that of rain-fed agriculture. Surplus production meant that people could begin specializing in full-time crafts rather than relying exclusively on farming, Weiss says, thus giving rise to the first class-based society and the first cities.

"It's perhaps too extreme to say that climate change caused all of the advanced society collapses," says Peter deMenocal, a paleoceanographer at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. "But it's also too extreme to say that climate change has had no effect. The challenge to us as paleoclimatologists is to develop much more detailed and well-dated records," he says.

The most fundamental question in Mesopotamian archaeology, Weiss concludes, "is, 'why is there a Mesopotamian archaeology?'" Having already tied the Early Bronze Age collapses from the Aegean to the Indus to the abrupt climate change event 4,200 years before present, Weiss believes he can now tie the changes of lifestyle and migration that were essential for early class formation and urban life in Mesopotamia to an abrupt, multi-century shift toward drier conditions which occurred near 8,200 years before present.


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To: blam

I've read some speculation that state that the BAsque, the Chechens, the Dravidians and the Ainu were all relted. But it seems mostly speculation to me as the distances and time spans are too great.


61 posted on 08/15/2004 5:15:53 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Torie
PS: By the way, the planet had a billion years where there was no ice on the planet, anywhere, and then another billion years thereafter where it was all ice, 100% ice.

Where did you get this information? I have never heard such a thing.

62 posted on 08/15/2004 5:35:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz
It is all in this book, A Short History of Nearly Everything, by William Bryson, on page 228. Bryson writes:

"Before 50 million years ago, Earth had no regular ice ages, but when we did have them they tended to be colossal. A massive freezing occurred abut 2.2 billion years ago, followed by a billion years or so of warmth. Then there was another ice age even larger than the first - so large that some scientists are now referring to the age in which it occurred as the Cryogenian, or super ice age. The condition is more popularly known as Snowball Earth.

" 'Snowball,' however, barely captures the murderousness of conditions. The theory is that because of a fall in solar radiation of about 6 percent and a dropoff in the production (or retention) of greenhouse gases, Earth essentially lost its ability to hold on to its heart. It became a kind of all-over Antarctica. Temperatures plunged by as much as 80 degrees Fahrenheit. The entire surface of the planet may have frozen solid, with ocean ice up to half a mile thick at higher latitudes and tens of yards thick even in the tropics."

63 posted on 08/16/2004 7:46:52 PM PDT by Torie
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64 posted on 03/24/2006 10:41:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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Catastrophism

65 posted on 04/05/2006 11:47:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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66 posted on 04/05/2006 11:47:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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I wander if thousands of years from now scientists will attribute the mass migration of Mexicans, north to the USA, to climatic changes?

Yes, the political climate...

67 posted on 04/05/2006 12:26:33 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: SunkenCiv
In the spirit of Aristotle, who stated that rocks do not fall from the sky

As late as 1890 rocks did not fall from the sky, and it didn't matter how many French farmers showed up at the Institute with burnt rocks they picked out of their fields after seeing them fall out of the sky.

68 posted on 04/05/2006 12:30:38 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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Bump for later reading


69 posted on 04/05/2006 1:30:36 PM PDT by Ol' Sox
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:') There are some who still don't think it's true. I think the first thaw in that cognitive freeze occurred when a stone fell out of a clear sky as witnessed by the Holy Roman Emperor and his rather large entourage. But resistance to the idea of impact (large, serious ones, striking after the so-called Late Heavy Bombardment) remained until 1994, when the bits of SL-9 smashed into Jupiter. (':


70 posted on 04/05/2006 11:23:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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71 posted on 09/01/2009 7:20:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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72 posted on 09/01/2009 7:21:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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73 posted on 02/22/2015 4:36:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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The climate record in ancient Mesopotamia and around the world shows an abrupt climate change event in 6400 B.C., about 8,200 radiocarbon years before present. A period of immense cooling and drought persisted for the next 200 to 300 years.

74 posted on 06/21/2018 12:58:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: blam

1983

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq6IJ94A7pQ


75 posted on 06/21/2018 1:42:20 PM PDT by greenishness
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Hmmmmmm.

14 year old thread.

76 posted on 06/21/2018 3:29:13 PM PDT by blam
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Yes I’ve been looking for it for ages. Finally found it. Thanks so much.


77 posted on 06/21/2018 3:44:08 PM PDT by greenishness
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This topic was posted 2/15/2004, thanks blam, ping message update.



The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization
The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West, and
Simon Warwick-Smith


78 posted on 03/18/2022 9:11:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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