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Unearthed, The Prince Of Stonehenge
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 8-26-2002 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:04:48 PM PDT by blam

Unearthed, the prince of Stonehenge

By Roger Highfield
(Filed: 21/08/2002)

A prehistoric prince with gold ear-rings has been found near Stonehenge a few yards away from the richest early Bronze Age burial in Britain.

Earlier this year, archaeologists found an aristocratic warrior, also with gold ear-rings, on Salisbury Plain and speculated that he may have been an ancient king of Stonehenge.

The body was laid to rest 4,300 years ago during the construction of the monument, along with stone arrow heads and slate wristguards that protected the arm from the recoil of the bow. Archaeologists named him the Amesbury Archer.

Now they have found another skeleton from the same period five yards away. The remains are those of a man, aged 25 to 30, buried in the same posture, on his left side with his face to the north, and legs bent.

His grave was bare, containing only the sharpened tusk of a boar, but contained the basket shaped ear-rings. The man may have been the archer's son, the prince of Stonehenge, said Dr Andrew Fitzpatrick, who led the dig by Wessex Archaeology.

DNA testing on their teeth will be carried out to find out if the two bodies are part of the same royal family.

Around 100 artefacts were found in the archer's grave -10 times as many as at graves from a similar period elsewhere in Britain.

The grave is dated to about 2300BC - around the time at which Stonehenge's inner circle of bluestones was being hauled from the Preseli mountains in South Wales.

The king, who was 5ft 9ins tall, lacked a left kneecap, suggesting he had suffered a serious injury. He was aged 35 to 50 when he died, when he was placed in a timber chamber about three miles from Stonehenge.

A valuation committee must now put a figure on the finds after David Masters, the Wiltshire coroner, declared the discoveries treasure.

The British Museum and the Salisbury and South Wiltshire Museum have both expressed an interest in providing the archer's final resting place.

John and Sylvia Savidge, who own Red House Farm where the burial chambers were unearthed, may receive a cash reward once the treasure has been valued.


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To: LostTribe
I wonder how most "jews" today accept your theory. What's your take on who is celtic-related in europe? Europe can be grouped into several main groups. The traditional celtic group(irish, guals, britons), the germanic group, the slavic group, the Latin group, and the greeks. All the countries of Europe are mostly a mixed of these groups. Also, all the languages run along these lines. These are the main groups that account for about 99% of Europe's people. I'm just curious to how you might explain the links between these groups.
41 posted on 08/25/2002 10:53:40 PM PDT by sonofron
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To: LostTribe
Thanks for the 3 min. history lesson. I'll go to your links tomorrow.
42 posted on 08/25/2002 11:01:53 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: sonofron
>I wonder how most "jews" today accept your theory.

In my experience, most "jews" don't even think about the subject.  Or if they do, are totally conditioned by their culture, not from having actually objectively studied the subject even a little bit.  Most do not agree strictly as a knee-jerk reaction.  But an increasing number do, including Rabbis with whom I correspond, but who do not feel able to "go public" about it at this time.  It's a matter of "culture" far more than history and theology.

>What's your take on who is celtic-related in europe?

I really go slow on trying to make specific associations because in my mind while it can be fascinating, it detracts from my main interest which is simply describing the association between The Lost Tribes of Israel and the Celts.  Going from the Celts to specific countries is easy in a generic sense, but a source of unnecessary division and potential unhappiness on the other.

Worse, it can lead to a form of "Identity" theology, causing people to instead of concentrating on the word of God and what it means to them as a PERSON, want to identify with a GROUP.  Dividing into groups is the first step towards dividing into YOU and ME,  or US and THEM.  I don't want any part of that.

It you carefully read the 3-MINUTE HISTORY at my Freeper LostTribe Profile below it will give you a solid grounding on basic Israelite history.  Those historic facts, dates and definitions are the critical foundation of everything else.  From there, you can confidently study the Celts and their expansion through Europe and America and see where they went.  But be sure you have a BIG RED PENCIL to correct the many fundamental errors which you will find in copycat books on the market.  Ha!

(A notable exception is Assyrian Tablets in the British Museum.)

43 posted on 08/25/2002 11:19:44 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: sonofron
The Celtic languages are part of the Indo-European Family as are the Germanic, Latin, Slavic and Indo-Iranian languages. Hebrew is part of the Afro-Asiatic Family. There is no relationship whatsoever.
44 posted on 08/25/2002 11:20:36 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: sonofron
Hungarian does NOT fit into any of the catagories you've mentioned and they certainly are Europeans. The Ugaric group, which also includes a segment of Lapps, are quite different.

The " Romance Language Speakers ", which is based on Latin, is batter than " Latins ", as you suggest.

45 posted on 08/25/2002 11:37:06 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: LostTribe
Nice synopsis. Again, thanks. :-)
46 posted on 08/25/2002 11:39:46 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: COB1
Take a break and read this. :-)
47 posted on 08/25/2002 11:40:33 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Eternal_Bear
There is no reason to expect The Lost Tribes of Israel carried the Hebrew language intact past their Assyrian Captivity since they lost virtually all their identity as Israelites prior to their exodus and subsequent diaspora.  That is what their punishment was all about.

(This, despite the impressive documentation by E. Raymond Capt in his outstanding book Assyrian Tablets in the British Museum which shows the extensive Hebrew roots in todays Germanic languages.)

48 posted on 08/25/2002 11:43:07 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
Monday morning bump.
49 posted on 08/26/2002 3:45:29 AM PDT by blam
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To: LostTribe
I am a tall, fair-skinned red-haired person of Irish descent, but I always figured there was some family connection to big ol' red Esau (hence his brother and parents, too).

I find it difficult to narrow down the races before Esau's time, seeing as how there was such a great diference in appearance, including size and coloration, between himself and his own twin brother. I think the previous generations carried the genetic material for all of the eventual human races within their genes, giving birth to siblings who didn't resemble each other. As the generations expanded thepopulation and moved outward and became separated the forming tribes of humans became more and more distinct and racial characteristics developed among the peoples.

I also have type B blood, and have learned that Eastern European Jews have a higher incidence of that blood type than other demographic groups.
50 posted on 08/26/2002 4:05:50 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: nopardons
Hungarians came in after most of the groups I mentioned before. They are probably related to germanics or slavs, but I base that on the fact that they all entered Europe through the russian steppe. I am aware of the uniqueness of the Lapps, but i was trying to generalize the whole population of Europe into the larger groups. There were obviously people in Europe before any of the groups, including the Celts, came into Europe.


"The " Romance Language Speakers ", which is based on Latin, is batter than " Latins ", as you suggest."

I am aware of the "Romance Language Speakers." But what i was refering to by "Latins" was the people from the Italian peninsula. These people, a mix of the etruscans and the tribes to the south that spoke Latin, were different than the celtic peoples in the British Isles, France, Spain and other countries. The celtic group in those countries was believed to have came into those areas at the same time. I believe the etruscans were believed to have been from central asia, but i'm not sure. The etruscans were darker and more like turks, i believe. As for the Tribes to the south, they were different that the etruscans and were heavily influenced by greek colonies on the southern part of italy and sicily. The group i refered to as Latins, was the mixture that came out of the roman republic in Italy and counquered/settled in spain, france, england, the balkans, and all the way around the mediterranean.

51 posted on 08/26/2002 8:25:27 AM PDT by sonofron
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To: blam
Once again you have posted a facinating thread...keep up the good work
52 posted on 08/26/2002 6:17:00 PM PDT by ruoflaw
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To: sonofron
You're misinformed, on at least two accounts.

There were people, in what is now Hungary, in Paleolithic times. Some later invaders were Asian ; others , which the first king of ALL Hungary, Arpad , was not. The Magyars are different from the Mongols and the Huns. No, Hungarians were not Slavic.

Etruscans were NOT " dark " and were not Asiatics either.

If you want to go by Ancient Roman legend, the FIRST " Romans " , were descended from Aeneus ( the father of Romulus & Remus , according to Virgil and others ) and was a from Troy , which is now Turkish, but was NOT inhabitted by what we now think of as " Turks " , then. These people were VERY dissimilar from the Greks, who had later settled Sicily and the Southern most areas of Italy.

Populations have always been wiped out, moved, and / or intermarried . When you look at the over styalized painting from Crete and Anciet Eygpt, and then, at the remains of actual humans, you can see the differences. The same is true with the Etruscan grave paintings and statuary. Greek statuarary, OTOH, is idealozied. The Romans copied , to some extent , their style ;however, most is truer to nature ... facially .

53 posted on 08/26/2002 9:24:08 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: blam
2300 B.C. An interesting time. Maybe they needed a new calender.
54 posted on 09/03/2002 9:30:57 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: nopardons
The Ugaric group, which also includes a segment of Lapps, are quite different.

We Finns, and the Estonians, as well as a number of peoples within what is now Russia, such as the Samoyeds, are part of this group too.

55 posted on 09/03/2002 9:52:43 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: #3Fan
"2300 B.C. An interesting time. Maybe they needed a new calender."

Yup. That is about the time the meteorite crashed into Iraq. (The crater was recently discovered.) The tree ring data show a severe problem worldwide at 2354BC. Also, it is recorded in Egypt that this period was so severe that people began eating their children. So....

56 posted on 09/04/2002 7:00:48 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Yup. That is about the time the meteorite crashed into Iraq. (The crater was recently discovered.) The tree ring data show a severe problem worldwide at 2354BC. Also, it is recorded in Egypt that this period was so severe that people began eating their children. So....

I believe there has been periods of crustal displacement. It would explain Atlantis going under the waves, flash frozen mammoths, stars "falling" from the sky, ancient maps of Anarctica showing the penninsula without ice, glacier-formed landscape in upper North America, ancient legends of the sun rising in the west, periods of increased volcanic activity, and the rise and fall of ocean levels. Maybe a shift around 2300 B.C. necessitated a new calendar. The Great Pyramid's alignment with true North is a big problem though unless it was built after 2300 B.C., and I don't think it was. But the bible speaks of David and his troops fighting what I consider the second influx of hybrids from the mating of the Nefilim and the daughters of Adam. David killed Goliath and then his troops killed more giants a few decades later, and that would have been around 1000 B.C. So maybe the pyramids were built during the second influx and this influx occured after 2300 B.C. I think it's clear the pyramids weren't built by 3rd millenium B.C. human technology. If it was built in the 3rd millenium B.C., the builders had help.

57 posted on 09/04/2002 10:23:50 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
You're getting a little to far out there for me. lol.
58 posted on 09/05/2002 6:44:52 AM PDT by blam
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To: Eternal_Bear
The Celtic languages are part of the Indo-European Family as are the Germanic, Latin, Slavic and Indo-Iranian languages. Hebrew is part of the Afro-Asiatic Family. There is no relationship whatsoever.

I'm not at all convinced the Celts are the Lost Tribes, but I find the theory fascinating and I keep an open mind. However, when studying Beowulf last year, I was surprised to see that some of the rhyming patterns were similar to what I've been told characterizes Hebrew.

59 posted on 09/05/2002 7:08:01 AM PDT by twigs
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To: blam
Stonehenge: UFO drydock/keel blocks where saucers landed for undercarriage/landing gear repairs/maintenance.
60 posted on 09/05/2002 7:15:34 AM PDT by Consort
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