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Arzawa
The House of David (not the vanished religious sect by that name) ^ | circa 2002 | David R Ross

Posted on 11/26/2004 7:32:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv

The language of the southwestern littoral of Anatolia - which includes Arzawa - was Luwiyan, which, like Kneshian, was a member of the Anatolian branch of the Indo-European family. For diplomatic correspondence, however, Arzawa used Kneshian - even when writing to the Egyptian king! It appears that this diplomatic faux pas was a result of Arzawa's provincial character; Kneshian was the language required to deal with the other states of Asia Minor, and especially with Hattusas.

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1 posted on 11/26/2004 7:32:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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MacQueen states that Lydian "seems to be Hittite" (the first edition, p 59), while this revised and enlarged edition refers elsewhere to "Arzawan" as MacQueen perhaps attempts to distance himself from the controversy about Hittite references to the Homeric Greeks.

The Hittites and Their Contemporaries in Asia Minor Ancient Peoples and Places Series The Hittites
and Their Contemporaries in Asia Minor
Ancient Peoples and Places Series

by J. G. MacQueen


2 posted on 11/26/2004 7:41:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
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3 posted on 11/26/2004 7:42:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thank you, you too :)


4 posted on 11/26/2004 7:44:52 PM PST by visualops (Freedom is worth fighting for, dying for and standing for: the advance of freedom leads to peace-GWB)
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To: visualops

G'night, VO. A couple of related GGG topics:

Inscription in Carian and Greek
Anistoriton ^ | 27 Dec. 1997 | (editors)
Posted on 07/17/2004 6:20:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1173453/posts?page=10#10

Was There a Trojan War?
Archaeology ^ | May/June 2004 | Manfred Korfmann
Posted on 07/29/2004 11:43:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1181498/posts?page=3#3


5 posted on 11/26/2004 7:52:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv
"That's it for this evening (unless Blam has posted something in the past half hour). "

Just an article from The Telegraph about the ICC. G'night.

6 posted on 11/26/2004 8:25:11 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting.


7 posted on 11/26/2004 8:43:47 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: Ptarmigan

Thanks!


8 posted on 11/26/2004 9:14:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Hmmm... like most Indo-Europeans they seem to have had a religion centred on the Storm God (Tarkhunt, Thor, Indra etc.) and ZEus himself seems to be almost an extension of the Storm GOd -- with his thunderbolts etc.


9 posted on 11/28/2004 7:31:00 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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Amazon Warrior Women
PBS ^ | Current | PBS
Posted on 08/04/2004 8:51:53 PM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1185293/posts

The Argonaut Epos and Bronze Age Economic History
Economics Department, City College of New York
Revised May 14, 1999 | Morris Silver
Posted on 08/25/2004 10:30:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1199756/posts

Non-Attic Characters
University of California, Irvine, Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
September 7 2003 (rev 9-28-2003) | Nick Nicholas
Posted on 07/18/2004 6:43:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1173901/posts

So Who Is Buried in Midas's Tomb?
NYT ^ | 12/25/2001 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
Posted on 12/24/2001 10:12:01 PM PST by a_Turk
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/596541/posts

The Truth About An Epic Tale Of Love, War And Greed (Troy)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 3-24-2004
Posted on 03/25/2004 12:03:11 PM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1105131/posts


10 posted on 11/28/2004 6:11:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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bttt
11 posted on 12/01/2004 8:22:39 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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Uncracked Ancient Codes
(Lost Languages reviewed)
by William C. West
Linear A, undeciphered, tantalizes, because about 80 percent of its signs resemble those of Linear B. Its system of numerals seems to be fairly clear: On several tablets, a term for "total" appears at the bottom of a tablet that includes a series of numbers. The numbers add up to the total given, instilling confidence that we understand at least these units. Attempts to show that Linear A represents a known language of the Aegean world, however, have not been successful. All but a few scholars agree that the language of Linear A cannot be Greek, and the idea that it represents a Semitic language has been rejected by nearly everyone. An Anatolian language (perhaps Lycian) remains a possibility... Robinson's descriptions of such analysis, and his accounts of both successful and unsuccessful decoding attempts, are clear, provocative and stimulating.
Lost Languages: The Enigma Of The Worlds Undeciphered Scripts Lost Languages:
The Enigma Of The World's Undeciphered Scripts

by Andrew Robinson


12 posted on 12/02/2004 10:40:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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bttt with a few more related GGG / FR topics:

Quarry, Setting and Team Marks: The Carian Connection
University of Leiden (Netherlands) ^ | 1998 | (about) Sheldon Lee Gosline
Posted on 10/08/2004 3:20:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1239452/posts

The Warriors Of Paros
Hellenic News ^ | 12-19-2004
Foteini Zafeiropoulou/Anagnostis Agelarakis
Posted on 12/19/2004 11:52:54 AM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1304656/posts


13 posted on 12/19/2004 5:53:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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In Search of the Real Troy
Saudi Aramco World
January/February 2005
Volume 56, Number 1
Graham Chandler, Photographed by Ergun Cagata
Posted on 02/20/2005 2:33:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1347422/posts


14 posted on 06/19/2005 11:44:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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search for "arzawan":
Google

15 posted on 06/19/2005 11:45:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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The Linear B Tablets and Mycenaean Social, Political, and Economic Organization
[Dorians / Achaeans -- their origin?]
Dartmouth College | 1996 | faculty
Posted on 11/28/2004 7:29:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1290075/posts


16 posted on 07/17/2005 9:27:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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Where Did The Etruscans Come From?
Etruscology website | June 2002 | Dieter H. Steinbauer
Posted on 08/06/2005 9:08:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1458504/posts


17 posted on 08/11/2005 7:03:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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18 posted on 11/12/2005 9:13:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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ANE Digest Number 357
From: Banyai Michael Leonberg
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998
There is an Akagamunas (Akaiamunas?), apparently the Achaian king, appearing in the hethite correspondence. He was tentatively equivalated, I think by Forrer, with the homeric Agamemnon. Most of Forrers equation are today in low esteem, even if his name is still among the leader hethitologists. There are no objective grounds against this very equation but only natural skepsis. Should one hold his equation, one gets Akaiamunas/Akaiamenon >> Agamemnon. This as Idomeneos and Menelaos (variant of the lawagetas) would thus be just titles, no personal names.
Emil Forrer was correct. I was first turned onto this (I guess) by Michael Wood, who discusses Forrer and the Hattusas archive in his In Search of the Trojan War.
"These vague resemblances do not look like mere chance; Achaiwoi/Ahhiyawa; Alaksandus/Alexandros [Paris]; Wilusa/Wilios; Taruisa/Troia: each in isolation presents problems, but four resemblances is pressing coincidence too far." (p 207, italics in original)
Wood also mentions Tawagalawas which IMHO could be Achilles (Ta-Agalawas) and Etewokleweios which IMHO could be Eteocles.
19 posted on 11/29/2007 11:21:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, November 27, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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20 posted on 11/04/2009 5:39:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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