Posted on 08/01/2010 7:48:14 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
On July 15, 2010, Democrat Charles Rangle introduced a piece of legislation into Congress that would basically reinstate the draft (compulsory military service). H.R. 5741 will give the President of the United States the power to require all American citizens between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform either military service or civilian service in the interests of "national defense and homeland security." It would also give him the power to require citizens to join the military during wartime to meet the manpower needs of the military.
In February 2009, President Barack Obama asked Congress to send him a bipartisan bill in favor of "national service." Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel outline a plan similar to H.R. 5741 in his book The Plan.
Under this new legislation, nearly every American will be forced into two years of military or security service. Even conscientious objectors will be unable to avoid this new draft. Instead, they would have to choose noncombatant or civilian service, which will be defined by the President.
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Send the liberals in for cannon fodder I say. They voted him in, let them pay the price.
At least I was offering a concrete idea that might eliminate some of the government dependance that is ruining our society and our country. In your world, we would keep churning out rapping, cursing, society-blaming 18 year olds and expect them to turn into responsible adults.
Awfully nice of you to "volunteer" others children for military service!
Our country required military service for most of our history and it was responsible for turning many punks into real men. I said that there should be "some kind of required service after high school". That doesn't mean that every kid would be sent to the front against his will.
You know nothing about my world, but yours is readily apparent to anyone reading your posts.
Ok, you are welcome to your opinion and I am welcome to mine.
In my opinion, your "idea" borders on marxism, but again that's just my opinion.
I still think it is a good idea in that it gives kids time to grow up and learn some personal responsibility before they go out to make their way in the world.
That's a PARENT'S job, not the job of the military. So tell me, do you advocate sending the PARENT'S of these "punks" as you call them into the military too? Obviously they've failed their jobs as Parents and need some help straightening out their lives too. Hell, with that change I might just be all for your idea - it'll fix two problems then.
There's a reason we have a volunteer military rather than forced service. What you're advocating is FORCED service - gee, much the same as Obama advocates in his "civilian" army that mirrors the military. IMO You're treading on dangerous ground here.
I said that there should be "some kind of required service after high school". That doesn't mean that every kid would be sent to the front against his will.
So tell me, who decides which "punks" as you call them should go to the front line and which should not? Who decides? You? Some Government Panel?
Let's get into the details of your idea here ...
I think it will also put some spine in the mass of jellyfish most Americans have become.
I honestly think it would be the best thing for America right now and hearing the indignation and whining protests only convinces me more so it would be good.
What some people fail to consider is that its free training, housing and food, its nothing about becoming communists, thats just a weak minded fear, learn to fight and learn how to use the tools of fighting and you will never be afraid to fight against the enemies of America.
As far as I can tell the bill has not gotten out of committee, nor do I expect it to do so. That won't stop conspiracy nuts from worrying about it, though. Here's a link to it's current status:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-5741
This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced bills and resolutions first go to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee. [Last Updated: Jul 27, 2010 6:46AM]
Last Action: Jul 23, 2010: Referred to the Subcommittee on Military Personnel.
In today's volunteer military, young people choose on their own to join and many choose to fight. Some even sign up for a second and third tour or maybe even a career in the military. I don't think it is a stretch to assume that in a mandatory military, some young people would still choose to fight, or at least train to fight if it becomes necessary.
It is admirable that you want to hold the parents of these kids responsible for their failures. I tend to think the parents will not take any more responsibility than they did while the kids were young. Just maybe a drill sergeant or service organization CEO would be able to make something of them.
I don't think the draft was Marxism and I don't think requiring kids to do some service is Marxism. I am not proposing we create Obama's "service corps(e)". I am talking about a period of discipline and personal responsibility for every young person. Some will come out better young adults. Some will come out not much better than they went in.
It isn't a perfect idea, but there are so many kids who graduate high school with no ambition. They have been told for twelve years that they are special and can do anything. No one tellsl them life comes with responsibilities.
I understand where your coming from. I would agree with everything you said EXCEPT for making it mandatory. The gov. already contorls too much of our lives I don’t see how it’s good letting them force you into the military right after high school. And if this is brought back how many kids will just go to Canada or Europe? Then the military will be left w/ all the poor and welfare kids who didn’t have the means to get out and they usually have lower intelligence.
I DO agree. I don’t have a problem w/ turning kids into men thru the military. What I do have a problem with is the government being able to dictate what happens to your kid after HS. And let’s face it. Today’s youth are not like the youth that was 50 years ago. Today’s youth spend most of their time on the internet and at the bookstore listening to their ipods w/ their hipster/emo friends. Most youth don’t even play sports anymore. Liberals constantly tell us we need to shelter our children from competition when competition is what turns you from a child into an adult. I think the military would be a good antidote BUT knowing the laziness and apathy of today’s youth would you really feel secure knowing these kids are your SECURITY and America’s main security? Most of them have been so indoctrinated by liberal teachers and liberal media they’d probably spend more time trying to sabotage the operation by helping the terrorists then making sure America’s enemies are defeated.
If I had to choose between service and N0bama’s green-eteering hands down I’d pick the service. But I don’t think the gov. requiring service of ppl is the right way to do it.
Okay since you seem to have some idea of the military and military history what say you to this: if the draft was brought back it would be a dis-service to the country, not just for the other reasons I mentioned like coercion and too many young idiots joining, but also the fact that the anti-war movement which always sets back our victories in wartime would just grow stronger. I mean that's what killed us in Vietnam. Now a days esp. since N0bama was elected you only see 1000 ppl tops at an anti-war demostration. If everyone believed their kid was going to be drafted you'd be seeing an entire city out there protesting and dissing the troops. Then they'd also have a real excuse since they could say (as many did during Vietnam) most of these young ppl are being forced to serve and probly die. They didnt choose to serve. That way of thinking will make most Americans even more opposed to military action necessary for our national security. What do you think?
No "probably" about it... He is...
the infowarrior
If indeed the majority of our youth are nothing but Sad Sacks then Obama won’t really have much of a Youth Corp will he?
How I wish America was so much like Israel, if Obama somehow continues to usurp our nation then all the individual states should start thinking about forming up a militia. I don’t care if its funded by a lottery or toll roads, it needs to be done.
I agree w/ you on everything. I wish America were more like Israel too especially now. Israel is flourishing by being more conservative when America goes down the tube by being more liberal/socialist. I also agree every state should have its own militia. The Founders wanted all the states to have their own laws so bringing the military back to the states would be a good step.
So we are now being forced to join the army by a marxist. Swell.
Not going to VN was not a hard decision to make if someone had a responsibility to their family or, in this case, a business.
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You just made my point. There was no decision to make if one was drafted. They were in the military and the decision was made for them.
Only cowards ran out and got married, had a child, enrolled in college, went to Canada or ran to the National Guard/Reserves to avoid the draft. The only business exemptions were rare and ONLY for somebody whose daddy owned a business that supported the war effort and contributed heavily to a Congressman with pull. LOL
Even if his daddy was making the boots the GI’s wore or the M-16’s or the panchos or the MREs I don’t think he deserves an exemption from military service when others were drafted.
In other words, there is no “business” that is more important than serving ones country and no person who should be exempt. The exemptions were for the elite kids only and that’s what I have a problem with. Ergo, the draft will now be called “Obama’s Army” and an “all-volunteer Army” but I know the Obama kids will never serve. Back to square one.
Let me ask u: do you really think the gov. should have the right to dictate what our children to after high school? I love my country and my military but I think the military is best left for volunteers who join to serve their country and not b/c theyve been forced to.
Let me reply: That was then and then is now. I was addressing the VN Era and the draft. As for now, I think this is a “reverse draft”, with many social factors that are still forcing youngsters to join the military to survive. (poor economy, to wit)
To answer your question directly, I think the goverment has no right to enforce anything, we the people, don’t support.
Now, here’s the real issue: We, the people, are not being heard. So, you want to volunteer for your country or do I have to force you? Get my drift? ;)
“So you want America to cut and run? The terrorists have made it clear they want to KILL us and turn America into Saudi Arabia unless we take care of them and establish a pro-American regime in Afghanistan. Get the Taliban out get our guys in.”
Like I said, I want a different President, a leader. That will cure the problems.
..and then is now.
then= this is now.
War is war. We stand by our troops and their mission whether a democRAT (socialist) or conservative is in office. I hate N0bama but I love the troops and I want a secure America. I don't care if Stalin was president I'd still support the war on terror.
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