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Ruins of 7,000-year-old city found in Egypt oasis
Source: ABC (Australia) ^ | January 30, 2008 - 9:47AM | U/A

Posted on 01/29/2008 9:36:38 PM PST by Fred Nerks

A team of US archaeologists has discovered the ruins of a city dating back to the period of the first farmers 7,000 years ago in Egypt's Fayyum oasis, the supreme council of antiquities said.

"An electro-magnetic survey revealed the existence in the Karanis region of a network of walls and roads similar to those constructed during the Greco-Roman period," the council's chief Zahi Hawwas said.

The remnants of the city are "still buried beneath the sand and the details of this discovery will be revealed in due course," Mr Hawwas said.

"The artefacts consist of the remains of walls and houses in terracotta or dressed limestone as well as a large quantity of pottery and the foundations of ovens and grain stores," he added.

The remains date back to the Neolithic period between 5,200 and 4,500 BC.

The local director of antiquities, Ahmed Abdel Alim, said the site was just seven kilometres from Fayyum lake and would probably have lain at the water's edge at the time it was inhabited.

- AFP


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: archaeology; egypt; fayyumoasis; fayyumponufay; godsgravesglyphs; sahara

1 posted on 01/29/2008 9:36:39 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Ping!


2 posted on 01/29/2008 9:39:34 PM PST by JennysCool (They all say they want change, but they’re really after folding money.)
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To: Fred Nerks

http://www.pyramidofman.com/blog/ruins-of-7000-year-old-city-found-in-egypt-oasis/


3 posted on 01/29/2008 9:47:42 PM PST by A. Morgan (VOTE McCain n' WE'LL BE UP TO OUR NECKS IN ILLEGALS!)
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To: Holly_P

Ping.


4 posted on 01/29/2008 9:47:58 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Fred Nerks

That’s old,, thanks for posting.


5 posted on 01/29/2008 9:50:22 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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Fayyum = Fayoum

The Fayoum is a wonderful area of Egypt with a rich and interesting history. It is an area where Egyptians often vacation and which is constantly growing more popular among Europeans. This 692 sq. mile depression was a lush paradise during prehistoric times. It's water level was eighty-five meters higher than today (currently 45 meters below sea level) and the Nile regularly flooded through the low mountains separating it from the Fayoum. At 215 square km, the current lake Qaroun remains Egypt's largest salt water lake. The prehistoric people who lived here were, at first, nomadic hunters and gatherers, but later began harvesting plants near the lake. This developed into what is said to be the earliest agricultural area in the world, where fences were erected and guarded warehouses built. It has remained an agriculture center, well known for it's fruits, vegetables and chickens.

6 posted on 01/29/2008 9:55:28 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

BUMP!


7 posted on 01/29/2008 10:01:10 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Fred Nerks

The Bahr Youseff, Joseph’s Canal
http://www.hebrewhistory.info/factpapers/fp010-2_egypt.htm#ch4


8 posted on 01/29/2008 10:10:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

1. Pyramid of Meidum 2. Pyramid of Hawara 3. Pyramid of Al Lahun 4. Crocodilopolis 5. Qasr Qarun & Dionysias 6. Karanis

The Faiyum, a fertile area situated in a depression west of the Nile river used to be swampland 3,500 years ago. As it was not far from the Middle Kingdom capital city it was used as burial grounds by Sesostris II and Amenemhet III.

9 posted on 01/29/2008 10:21:53 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: A. Morgan

I did search for it...and nothing came up.


10 posted on 01/29/2008 10:22:56 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks
The image “http://www.ask-aladdin.com/images/fayoum.gif” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.
11 posted on 01/29/2008 10:41:41 PM PST by A. Morgan (VOTE McCain n' WE'LL BE UP TO OUR NECKS IN ILLEGALS!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks for later reading.


12 posted on 01/29/2008 10:43:44 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: A. Morgan

great map, I notice there’s bus stop near Medinet Madi!


13 posted on 01/29/2008 10:46:28 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Here is a link to some information about the area:

http://www.umich.edu/~kelseydb/Exhibits/Karanis83/KaranisExcavation/TheRuralEconomy.html


14 posted on 01/29/2008 11:04:22 PM PST by A. Morgan (VOTE McCain n' WE'LL BE UP TO OUR NECKS IN ILLEGALS!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Here is a link to some information about the area:

http://www.umich.edu/~kelseydb/Exhibits/Karanis83/KaranisExcavation/TheRuralEconomy.html


15 posted on 01/29/2008 11:10:51 PM PST by A. Morgan (VOTE McCain n' WE'LL BE UP TO OUR NECKS IN ILLEGALS!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Rumor has it that they also uncovered the ruins of Helen Thomas’ earliest office in the city.


16 posted on 01/30/2008 12:19:15 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Admin Moderator for President.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Imagine that, a 7000 year old city on a 6000 year old planet.


17 posted on 01/30/2008 12:22:31 AM PST by trumandogz
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To: SunkenCiv

It looks like this is about 1500 to 2000 years before the first dynasty, which is nearly as long as dynastic Egypt lasted.


18 posted on 01/30/2008 12:27:34 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

It’s interesting; there are earlier sites in Egypt, including one which was apparently stormed by an attacking force, which left thousands of arrowheads, burned everything, killed or captured everyone.


19 posted on 01/30/2008 12:30:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: Fred Nerks; JennysCool; blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 24Karet; ...

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20 posted on 01/30/2008 12:31:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: trumandogz
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21 posted on 01/30/2008 12:35:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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22 posted on 01/30/2008 1:18:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: A. Morgan

very informative link, thanks.


23 posted on 01/30/2008 2:15:48 AM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: SunkenCiv

You should save yourself and everyone else the trouble on these threads and embed the Helen Thomas pic in your Gods Graves and Glyphs ping list.


24 posted on 01/30/2008 5:24:04 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

Embed Helen Thomas?

Bite your tongue out and cut off your typing fingers.


25 posted on 01/30/2008 7:49:04 AM PST by wildbill
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To: Sawdring

I have special reasons for unleashing the “twins”. :’) I would like to have a Helen Thomas as Hydra pic though, for possible use in the way you suggest...


26 posted on 01/30/2008 8:26:36 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

I'm sure someone could arrange it for you.

27 posted on 01/30/2008 9:30:40 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: wildbill

Well if we can’t “inbed” her maybe we can “embed” her.


28 posted on 01/30/2008 9:32:07 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: Fred Nerks
a network of walls and roads similar to those constructed during the Greco-Roman period," the council's chief Zahi Hawwas

Zahi is another very confused puppy.

29 posted on 01/30/2008 10:59:39 AM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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Dutch Archaeologists Uncover Earliest Egyptian Temple [2000]
Science News | January 21, 2000 | adapted from Netherlands Organization For Scientific Research
Posted on 01/26/2008 9:59:13 AM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1959910/posts


30 posted on 01/30/2008 11:05:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: RightWhale
Archaeoblogger is guarded in his response.
31 posted on 01/30/2008 11:08:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: RightWhale
THE FAYOUM. MANY PTOLEMAIC TOWNS, INCLUDING KARANIS, WERE FOUNDED IN THIS OASIS.LINK.

PLAN OF GRANARY C123, ONE OF SEVENTEEN SUCH STORAGE FACILITIES EXCAVATED AT KARANIS

32 posted on 01/30/2008 2:55:04 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Please reassure me that she can’t breed asexually...


33 posted on 01/30/2008 5:05:00 PM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: SunkenCiv

I had the opportunity to wander the Fayoum area. We left all artifacts, like arrowheads in place. But we heard rumors of U.S Embassy employee(s) who had a trunk full of the things. It was just a rumor, of course.


34 posted on 01/30/2008 7:06:42 PM PST by bigheadfred (THE SGT. EVAN VELA DEFENSE FUND , (See my FR homepage to help. Donate today!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Interesting find. I wonder if the Ancient Egyptians saw those remains. I wonder what people lived in that area at the time. I know Sumeria was not that far from that area.


35 posted on 01/30/2008 8:23:33 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Bunnies=Sodomites)
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To: Ptarmigan
Seems the dating of this newest find is not confirmed.

Here's a map of the ancient Middle East.


36 posted on 01/30/2008 9:07:01 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Zahi Hawwas is a tireless self-promoter in the Bill Clintont class. I notice that he didn’t make the discovery.


37 posted on 01/30/2008 9:13:22 PM PST by CaptRon (Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: CaptRon
A team of US archaeologists has discovered the ruins of a city...

he's happy as long as he can stand in front of the camera.

38 posted on 01/30/2008 9:26:23 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: SunkenCiv; A. Morgan

http://www.umich.edu/~kelseydb/Exhibits/Karanis83/KaranisExcavation/TheRuralEconomy.html

“...The agricultural richness of the area had long been recognized by Egyptian kings. As early as Dynasty XII (2040-1715 BC) an elaborate system of locks and canals was constructed under the pharaoh Amenemhat III. Lake Moeris, fed by a branch of the Nile, had once filled much of the oasis area...”

http://www.hebrewhistory.info/factpapers/fp010-2_egypt.htm#ch4

The Bahr Youseff, Joseph’s Canal

“...We can imagine that it was a wise viceroy such as Joseph who spent years making a comprehensive study of the geodesy of Egypt. Finally a plan was formulated that transformed the land of Egypt forever. Two hard days journey from the river, resting within a ring of a range of rugged hills, lay the oasis known as el-Fayoum. It was cradled in a depression whose level lay below that of the Nile. On the verdant shores of a small, shimmering lake in the heart of this basin, a tribe lived cooly under the palms, unmindful of the unmerciful, encompassing wastelands.

“A canal was dug. It was an ambitious undertaking, for the canal did not simply go directly to the Nile from the east, which would have been a massive project in itself. No, a much grander vision was launched. A canal was cut through the ridges bordering the Nile from afar in Upper Egypt and was furrowed northward through the hot sands a distance from but parallel to the Nile. A twin to the Nile was created, extending a full third of the Nile’s Egyptian length. 5

“The water of the great canal was fed to the flanking desert through a web of subsidiary canals. Finally it was diverted westward to expand the lake in low-lying el Fayoum and to create a second great lake, a reservoir that maintained the system through seasons of drought.

“Whereas the Nile was hemmed in on the east by rugged cliffs that gave way here and there to a few paltry parcels of flat land, the web of feeder canals on the west fanned through the desert. The network of canals doubled the arable land of Egypt, hitherto almost entirely relegated to the delta. Upper Egypt became more than a mere passageway to Nubian ivory and gold, and was integrated into Egypt’s economy, .

“The legend claims that it was Joseph who named the great new reservoir “Lake Moeris,” after the king for whom he was the viceroy...


Question: could this recent discovery relate to the same period?


39 posted on 01/31/2008 12:43:55 AM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Vroomfondel

Please don’t use “sex” in that context again without warning me. When I blacked out I almost hit my head on the edge of the desk.


40 posted on 01/31/2008 8:54:24 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: bigheadfred

I’d imagine that little non-unique artifacts of that kind “fall” into many a pocket at sites all over the world. :’)


41 posted on 01/31/2008 8:55:50 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: Fred Nerks

Maybe. The Middle Kingdom was the time during which the Fayyum came (back?) into its own, and stayed there. The size of the lake has varied much over the centuries, but during Graeco-Roman times it was a pretty popular place to live. If I had to speculate, okay, okay, quit twisting my arm, I’d say that the Egyptians who eventually produced the Middle Kingdom pharaohs wound up in the Fayyum when they had to regroup after the Old Kingdom fell and Egypt declined into the 1st IP.

If the dating of these new finds holds up, it’ll make sense, since there was Lake Tritonis to the west of Egypt, and other proto-Egyptian finds are found in that direction, rather than upriver or downriver (either of which would make more sense had the climate conditions been the same then as they are now) or along it.

Other oldies but goodies...

Tell Ibrahim Awad:
http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/predns.htm

structure of Khasekhemwy:
http://www.hierakonpolis.org/site/fort.html


42 posted on 01/31/2008 9:15:30 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv
the Egyptians who eventually produced the Middle Kingdom pharaohs wound up in the Fayyum when they had to regroup after the Old Kingdom fell

thanks for the links, I'll follow them up...and btw, it does all make sense now.

43 posted on 01/31/2008 9:39:10 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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