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THREAT MATRIX 2012 #1
Freepers Who Care | JANUARY 1, 2012 | TM CREW

Posted on 01/01/2012 5:51:39 PM PST by MestaMachine

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Welcome to Threat Matrix 2012 #1.

This year's threats are closer, bigger, wider, worse, and more abundant than any we have seen in a very long time.

Conspiracies abound that encompass the world. Governments are corrupted beyond repair including our own. We have given over to evil the entire Middle East to islamic radicals except for Israel...so far, but that hasn't been for lack of trying. obama has already singlehandedly defeated the US Military in Iraq and is preparing to hand over Afghanistan to the worst of the taliban. He has made a mockery of our sacrifice of blood and treasure for his own agenda. He has committed international acts of terrorism against allies. He has armed our enemies south of the border, aided and abetted marxists in others. Yet none dare call it T R E A S O N.

They are winning.

This is 2012. Has the world as we have known it ceased to exist already, or is there any chance at all we can stop the onslaught?

1 posted on 01/01/2012 5:51:47 PM PST by MestaMachine
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To: MestaMachine

Hello MM. :-)


2 posted on 01/01/2012 5:57:39 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: MestaMachine

ping


3 posted on 01/01/2012 5:58:47 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: MestaMachine
Bookmark, Happy New Year! I hope.
4 posted on 01/01/2012 5:59:28 PM PST by ExSoldier (FMR Infantry Captain; 25 yrs an NRA Instructor; Master of KLIK-PAO!)
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To: MestaMachine

God is still in control.


5 posted on 01/01/2012 6:02:41 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: ExSoldier; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; unkus

Wow, guys! Thank you. I didn’t even get to the ping yet.
Happy New Year, Everyone!


6 posted on 01/01/2012 6:04:53 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Wahoo Mesta Machine...........


7 posted on 01/01/2012 6:09:39 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: MestaMachine
Thank you for keeping the thread going.
It is difficult to construct a threat matrix when the White House appears to be part of the threat.
TWB
8 posted on 01/01/2012 6:16:12 PM PST by TWhiteBear (Jobs, Peace, Food, Security .... Down with Obama(Peacefully))
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To: LucyT; thouworm; maggief; Myrddin; shibumi; Hardraade; Candor7; Absolutely Nobama; caww; ...

We need the research guys to do what they do best. This year is one of the most important and most dangerous in our history. We need to start connecting ALL the dots.
Please help whenever you can.
Thank you.


9 posted on 01/01/2012 6:17:54 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Bookmark here too. Thanks Mesta for your diligent work!


10 posted on 01/01/2012 6:19:40 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: thouworm; maggief

Could you please repost the info from the Gunwalker thread? THAT is some impressive stuff.


11 posted on 01/01/2012 6:21:42 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Hi MestaMachine - used to be on the ping list a while back. Can you place me back on?


12 posted on 01/01/2012 6:21:52 PM PST by lahargis (Rick Perry is our jobs and energy candidate! Perry 2012!)
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To: MamaDearest

You help so much!!! Thank YOU!


13 posted on 01/01/2012 6:23:18 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: blueyon

This will definitely be a RINO free thread. LOL


14 posted on 01/01/2012 6:24:28 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: kalee

placemarker


15 posted on 01/01/2012 6:24:40 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: MestaMachine
We need to start connecting ALL the dots.

I'm TERRIBLE at connecting the dots but once I see that they're connected I get the word out to family and friends. Thanks, MM for bringing this thread back. Appreciate your work...always!

Happy New Year!

16 posted on 01/01/2012 6:27:20 PM PST by azishot
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To: lahargis

Absolutely! Thanks for comin’ back!


17 posted on 01/01/2012 6:27:52 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Please add me to your ping list.


18 posted on 01/01/2012 6:28:02 PM PST by REDWOOD99 ("Everyone should pay taxes. Everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: MestaMachine

GOOD! :)


19 posted on 01/01/2012 6:28:13 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: azishot

Anything you can do helps.
And Happy New Year to you as well, azishot.


20 posted on 01/01/2012 6:30:21 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Thanks so much. :-)


21 posted on 01/01/2012 6:31:08 PM PST by lahargis (Rick Perry is our jobs and energy candidate! Perry 2012!)
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To: REDWOOD99

Okey dokey! Thank you for soming on board.


22 posted on 01/01/2012 6:33:15 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Add me to the ping list, please.


23 posted on 01/01/2012 6:37:55 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: MestaMachine

Please add me to your ping list.
Thank you!

: )


24 posted on 01/01/2012 6:37:59 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ( Everytime a democrat loses, a Moonbat gets its wings burned off.)
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To: MestaMachine

If you maintain a ping list, please add me. Thanks.


25 posted on 01/01/2012 6:40:41 PM PST by j_tull ("A little of what you fancy does you good, or so it should.")
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To: MestaMachine

Mesta, I am on another one of your ping list, but could I be on this one too please?

Also, like the fact you write obama with a lower case. He doesn’t deserve his name capitalized.


26 posted on 01/01/2012 6:41:08 PM PST by bergmeid (KAPLOINK! (The sound of kicking obama's a$$))
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To: bergmeid; RobinOfKingston; TheConservativeParty; j_tull

Got y’all. Thank you. If you see something that looks important, POST IT! Please.

Use your gut. Sometimes the important things get lost because they don’t SEEM important at the moment. But we sure have found that with this admin, EVERYTHING has a meaning..and it’s never good.


27 posted on 01/01/2012 6:49:50 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: bergmeid

I never capitalize anything I don’t respect.


28 posted on 01/01/2012 6:50:56 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine
You're absolutely welcome.

We won't eat halal meat, say MPs and peers who reject demands to serve it at Westminster

Snip: Fast-food chains including Domino’s Pizza, Pizza Hut, KFC, ­Nando’s and Subway are also using halal meat without ­telling customers, it was revealed.

Iran official says was misquoted on adulteress hanging

Snips: An Iranian official who raised the possibility of hanging a woman convicted of adultery rather than stoning her to death says he was misquoted, according to media Wednesday.

Fars news agency on Sunday published an interview with Sharifi in which he said he told justice authorities "we did not have facilities for stoning her."

29 posted on 01/01/2012 7:01:22 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: MestaMachine

Please ping me too. Thanks.


30 posted on 01/01/2012 7:05:33 PM PST by w4women ("All great change begins at the dinner table". Ronald Reagan)
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To: MestaMachine

“...and it’s never good.”

How true. Longest damn 4 years of my life.

Without real change, we are toast.

Going gun shopping tomorrow. Again. No such thing as too many. Taking my husband with this time.

Have a good evening

: )


31 posted on 01/01/2012 7:12:39 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ( Everytime a democrat loses, a Moonbat gets its wings burned off.)
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To: MestaMachine

Our best bet is to do what we do best. Document it all. We have already done the hard work. We need to list it, pass it around and if the rinos in charge of the RNC don’t use it we will do it for them.


32 posted on 01/01/2012 7:34:54 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: MestaMachine

Almost forgot,thank you for the thread and Happy New Year.


33 posted on 01/01/2012 7:36:29 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: MestaMachine; MamaDearest; All

Thanks so much for starting Threat Matrix 2012 #1, MestaMachine. Thanks for the information, MamaDearest.


34 posted on 01/01/2012 7:45:26 PM PST by PGalt (R.I.P. Ruth Robinson a.k.a. nw_arizona_granny, Love, Phil)
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To: rodguy911

You are welcome and Happy New Year back atcha!

I read back over some of the last few threads and you are right. TM has compiled an amazing amount of information. This thread goes all the way back to 2003...long before I got here. It’s a treasure trove.


35 posted on 01/01/2012 8:03:41 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Please add me to your ping list.

Many thanks for your work.


36 posted on 01/01/2012 8:04:28 PM PST by betsyross60
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To: PGalt

You’re welcome. Don’t be a stranger.


37 posted on 01/01/2012 8:15:04 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

We used to be observers in al queda forums/boards and report anything we thought was out of the ordinary. It was crazy and pretty sickening to see some of the torture videos/pics they would publish. Other than that it was pretty helpful to do searches with certain search patterns like at the time it was for stolen planes or UHauls/semis.


38 posted on 01/01/2012 8:16:48 PM PST by lahargis (Rick Perry is our jobs and energy candidate! Perry 2012!)
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To: MestaMachine

Please add me to your ping list, MM. Thanks!

sneaks


39 posted on 01/01/2012 8:19:21 PM PST by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: PGalt; MestaMachine

Thank you for the compliment. I take no credit for the hours upon hours of research and work Mesta Machine puts into Threat Matrix. I do, like you, appreciate her efforts to the very maximum! I’m glad to be a part of TM and am certain many of us will be much more involved with this thread in the coming months.


40 posted on 01/01/2012 8:27:21 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: MamaDearest

“I’m glad to be a part of TM and am certain many of us will be much more involved with this thread in the coming months.”

Oh, Lord, I sure hope so.


41 posted on 01/01/2012 8:32:47 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

I haven’t seen a Threat Matrix thread in a Very long time. Thank You and please add me to your ping list.


42 posted on 01/01/2012 9:09:09 PM PST by LilyBean
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To: MestaMachine

BUMP. Please put me on the list. Wishing you a Safe and Happy New Year.


43 posted on 01/01/2012 9:12:09 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: MestaMachine

Please put me on your ping list as well. Thanks.


44 posted on 01/01/2012 9:30:54 PM PST by redpoll
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To: LilyBean; redpoll; Domestic Church

Holy Mackerel! Thank you. I was not EVEN expecting this kind of response. Thank you all so much.


45 posted on 01/01/2012 9:42:01 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine; ExSoldier; Domestic Church; null and void; appalachian_dweller; ExTexasRedhead; ...
I never capitalize anything I don’t respect.

Kudos to you for that! I agree!

Man steals Greyhound bus on Christmas (photo) tells law enforcement "he was cold"

Police in New York state said they arrested a man they suspect stole an empty Greyhound bus for a 2-hour joyride.

Owner of Lynnwood gun shop unsure about 100 weapons stolen in 2010

Snip: In March 2010, thieves struck a Lynnwood gun shop, making off with nearly 100 handguns. At the time, Lynnwood police joined the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in asking the public for tips leading to anyone responsible.Later that spring, they said no arrests had been made, and none of the guns had been recovered.Now, more than a year and a half later, investigators won't discuss the case. It's not clear what happened to all the stolen weapons or if arrests ever were made.Lynnwood police referred all questions to federal investigators. An ATF spokeswoman said they do not discuss ongoing cases.

Weapons, uniforms stolen from PB law-enforcement vehicles

thieves are breaking into law enforcement vehicles in the Pine Bluff area and making off with weapons and uniforms, among other items.

The Pine Bluff Police Department said several vehicles have been broken into recently, although the exact number was not given.?

Weapons, body armor, flashlights, digital cameras, GPS systems and uniforms are among the items that have been taken from the vehicles.

6,000 weapons confiscated at county courthouse in 2011

Montgomery County Sheriff’s Department deputies and Security Force personnel routinely seize guns, knives, razor blades or pepper spray from visitors trying to bring those belongings into the courthouse or other county offices. 


46 posted on 01/01/2012 10:01:30 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: MestaMachine; SatinDoll; milford421; Godzilla; appalachian_dweller; txnuke; plenipotentiary; ...
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We need the research guys to do what they do best. This year is one of the most important and most dangerous in our history. We need to start connecting ALL the dots.
Please help whenever you can.
Thank you.

47 posted on 01/01/2012 10:57:55 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Wow, LucyT!!! THANK YOU!!!!


48 posted on 01/01/2012 11:31:29 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine
Could you please repost the info from the Gunwalker thread? THAT is some impressive stuff.

Excellent MestaMachine! Nicely done! Reposting here some of the posts you requested. To ALL: The entire thread below is worth perusing. It contains much information.

‘Fast and Furious’ Linked to Immunity Deal Between U.S. and Sinaloa Cartel, Trafficking Defendant...

See maggief's post #43 in above thread for background to the information below (which is a cross post of my posts #63 and #64 in the above thread.)

He also says that DEA officials tipped Loya-Castro about U.S. and Mexican investigations, allowing top Sinaloa Cartel leaders such as Joaquin “Chapo” Guzman-Loera and Zambada-Niebla ’s own father, Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada, to avoid capture.

Those men, also charged in the Chicago case, remain fugitives. Guzman-Loera is considered one of the world’s top drug kingpins.
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MORE BACKGROUND INFO

Joaquin “Chapo ("shorty")” Guzman-Loera, or most often called Joaquin Guzman

Cartel boss [Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman] may resort to force north of border [May 2009]

Local police and federal agents in Arizona said they recently have received at least two law enforcement alerts focused on Guzman’s reported orders that his smugglers should “use their weapons to defend their loads at all costs.”

Guzman is believed to have delivered the message personally in early March, during a three-day gathering of his associates in Sonoita, a small Mexican town a few miles south of the Arizona border, according to confidential U.S. intelligence bulletins sent to several state and federal law enforcement officials, who discussed them on the condition of anonymity.
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Mexico's Sinaloa gang grows empire, defies crackdown [Jan 2011]

Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman, 53, is arguably the world's most infamous drug trafficker, and has extended his empire from Colombia to China since he broke out of prison in a laundry van on January 19, 2001.......

(snip)

Forbes magazine estimates his wealth at $1 billion, and experts say his cartel moves up to two-thirds of drugs into the United States. "Guzman is number one because of the sheer volume of drugs he handles and the violence he has unleashed," said another U.S. anti-drug official.

Mexico knows it cannot stem insatiable U.S. demand for drugs, but the growing power of Guzman's cartel to corrupt officials, extort businesses and control parts of the country is a major concern as the oil-producing nation aims to convince investors it is an attractive market.

PACT WITH THE DEVIL? Amid the mayhem of severed heads and blood-stained streets, Guzman and his right-hand man Ismael Zambada have adeptly taken territory from gangs weakened by army operations while bringing in raw materials from China to make meth, using Africa as a route for cocaine into Europe, and growing their business in Colombia and across Central America.

"In the past five years, the Sinaloans have transformed themselves into a global criminal organization with operations in 52 countries," said Edgardo Buscaglia, a drug trade export at Mexico's private ITAM university, who compares the Sinaloa cartel's reach to the Russian mafia in the 1990s.
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Wife of Mexican Drug Lord [Joaquin 'Chapo' Guzman] Gives Birth [to anchor baby] in California, Then Returns to Mexico [Sept 2011]

Joaquin 'Chapo' Guzman's wife, Emma Coronel, gave birth Aug. 15 to twin girls at Antelope Valley Hospital in Lancaster, according to birth records and a senior U.S. law enforcement official.

(snip)

Turns out Coronel, a 22-year-old former beauty queen, holds U.S. citizenship, which entitles her to travel freely to the United States. By being born in California, and to a mother who is an American citizen, her little girls also have U.S. citizenship.

Guzman, 54, the multibillionaire fugitive head of the Sinaloa cartel, married Coronel the day she turned 18 in a lavish wedding in the highlands of central Mexico in 2007. She is believed to be his third or fourth wife and is a niece of Ignacio "Nacho" Coronel, a onetime partner of Guzman who was killed in a July 2010 shootout with the Mexican army.
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America's Third War: The U.S. Cut a Deal With the Sinaloa Cartel [Aug 2011]

U.S. federal agents allegedly cut a deal with the Sinaloa drug cartel that allowed it to traffic tons of narcotics across the border, in exchange for information about rival cartels, according to documents filed in federal court.
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U.S. Admits Mexican (Drug) Cartels Control Parts Of Border [Oct 2011]

Remember this? The Mexican border “is as secure as it has ever been.” Or what about this; violence along the Mexican border is merely a mistaken “perception” because the Obama Administration has successfully fostered a “secure and prosperous” region. Napolitano also said that “misinformation about safety” is negatively impacting border communities and that the U.S.-Mexico border is not “overrun or out of control.”

The truth is that Mexican drug cartels do in fact “control access to the U.S.-Mexico border” and the “smuggling routes across it,” according to the Justice Department’s drug assessment, which has been kept quiet by the administration. No press conferences or photo ops to promote this report, which concludes that the “unprecedented levels of violence in Mexico” will continue for years to come.

(snip)

This is hardly shocking news. The National Drug Intelligence Center has for years determined that Mexican drug trafficking organizations represent the greatest crime threat to the United States. In fact, the agency’s 2009 report says that the violence, intimidation, theft and financial crimes carried out by the illicit operations “pose a significant threat” to the nation as a whole.
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Obama's DOJ Let [Sinaloa] Cartel Bombmaker Walk [Oct 2011] <

Jean Baptiste Kingery seems to be yet another thug that took advantage of the Obama Administration's criminal stimulus package for the southwest, building grenades and IEDs for the Sinaloa cartel.

So what did the Department of Justice do when they caught him. They released him free as a bird within hours.
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U.S. Government Invokes National Security to Conceal Deal Cut with Mexican [Sinaloa] Drug Cartel [Oct 2011]

On Saturday, October 1, 2011, investigative journalist Bill Conroy of the Narcosphere reported scandalous and highly troubling new developments in the criminal case against accused Mexican narco-trafficker Jesus Vicente Zambada Niebla.

The breaking story unravels the U.S. government’s ugly national-security interests in the drug war by exposing a quid pro quo deal between the US government and the most powerful international narco-trafficking organization on the planet- the Sinaloa “Cartel,” and the US government’s recent attempt to cover this up by filing a motion in the case seeking to invoke the Classified Information Procedures Act (CIPA), a measure designed to assure national security information does not become public during court proceedings.
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Feds: [Sinaloa] Mexican Cartel Plotted Attack on U.S. to 'Send the Gringos a Message' [Nov 2011]

The leaders of a powerful Mexican cartel, frustrated that U.S. law enforcement was interfering with their lucrative drug business, plotted a military-style attack on a U.S. or Mexican government building to "send the gringos a message," federal prosecutors allege in documents filed this week.

Leaders of the Sinaloa cartel sought dozens of American-made weapons for an attack in Mexico City on possible targets that included government buildings, an embassy or consulate or media outlet, according to documents in the case against Vicente Zambada, an alleged top lieutenant in the cartel.

Zambada is in jail in Chicago awaiting trial, one of dozens of defendants charged in the city as part of a sweeping international investigation. He has pleaded not guilty to charges that he conspired to import and sell large amounts of cocaine and heroin in the United States, including Chicago.

Authorities say his father, Ismael Zambada, runs the cartel along with Mexico's most wanted man, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman. There's nothing in the documents to indicate the plot was carried out.

Vicente Zambada's lawyers claim he and other cartel leaders were granted immunity by U.S. agents — and carte blanche to smuggle cocaine over the border — in exchange for intelligence about rival cartels engaged in bloody turf wars in Mexico. Prosecutors have denied that such an agreement exists.

But deals with key players in...

--snip--

During the conversation, the documents say, Guzman suggests they target a Mexican or American government building in Mexico City. Vicente Zambada then turns to Margarito Flores and tells him to find a U.S. soldier returning from overseas to give him 20-30 "big powerful weapons," specifying that they be American-made. During a later recorded phone conversation, prosecutors say, Vicente Zambada reiterates with Flores that the cartel will buy the weapons...
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Obama and the Sinaloa Cartel

The evidence is mounting that the Fast and Furious gun giveaway was orchestrated and/or initiated from the top of the Obama administration. Forbes Magazine is calling it “Obama’s Watergate.” Are we to believe that they gave away enough guns to equip a small army of narcoterrorists out of a simple error? We would have to be pretty gullible to believe that.

We have to ask just what they intended to achieve by doing this. It was a truly extravagant gift to the Sinaloa Federation Cartel. It was not just expensive in tax dollars; it was expensive in political capital, and it was so close to the 2012 election.

People don’t give such expensive things away for nothing. The Obama people must have expected something in return.

Consider the fact that Eric Holder, the Attorney General, and the Obama Administration has a long and continuing pattern of giving gifts to the Sinaloa Cartel:


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Gunwalker: Justice Dept. Violated US Laws Beyond Those Being Investigated

As we continue to watch the general uproar over the Operation Fast and Furious program, and specifically what Attorney General Holder knew and when he knew it, it needs to be noted that perjury is not the only apparent violation of law to have occurred.

I refer to the apparent violation of at least one (probably two) major U.S. laws by the Holder Justice Department. A few years ago, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701, the follow-on to the Trading with the Enemy Act) was expanded in order to criminalize any transactions between U.S. entities — to include departments and agencies of the U.S. government — and all foreign drug cartels.

I am familiar with these prohibitive statues because several years ago, while serving as the senior drug analyst for the Senate Intelligence Committee, I was tasked to initiate and became the principal drafter of legislation which became known as the Kingpin Act (21 U.S.C. §§ 1901-08).

The Kingpin Act is an extension of the highly successful IEEPA sanctioning program specifically targeting Colombian drug cartels. It expands sanctions authority against various drug cartel operations worldwide — including Mexico — which have been determined by the president [????] to be threats to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States.

A violation of any of the IEEPA sanctioning programs or the Kingpin Act carries stiff penalties, both criminal and civil, and potentially totaling decades in prison and tens of millions of dollars in fines.

It is not necessary that an individual or governmental entity be shown to have “knowingly” violated any of these programs: it is illegal for any U.S. entity or individual to aid, abet, or materially assist — or in the case of Operation Fast and Furious, to facilitate others to aid, abet, or materially assist — designated drug traffickers. There are no exceptions within IEEPA programs for unlicensed U.S. law enforcement or intelligence agency operations.

49 posted on 01/01/2012 11:48:31 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: MestaMachine
From your previous post (TigersEye's post #10):

"There goes the "we were letting guns randomly "walk" into Mexico to see where they went" lie. It was a quid pro quo with the Sinaloa international terrorist drug cartel."

"0bama, Holder and the whole lot of them are sponsors of terrorism, murder, drug trafficking, human slavery, money laundering and arms trafficking with intent to undermine a sovereign friendly nation."

[emphasis added... because I vociferously think this as well and have so posted! You and I are in the minority on this.]
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Setting aside your last point, the one that I emphasized, for the moment...

Some thoughts for the thread's reflection and critique:

Early into my understanding of Fast and Furious, I suspected that the motives of the crime reached far beyond the attempt to outlaw guns. That may be the "face" of the Obama adm's public rationalization---but ONLY because it is the "sexy," convenient, PC face.

The Obama adm ALWAYS tries to kill as many birds with one stone as possible---and the bird they publicize to kill is rarely the chief bird they are aiming for.

As has been posted on this thread (see post 26), this may backfire on us---BUT

Obama and the Hezbollah Terrorist

and

Outrage In Iraq

Hezbollah Terrorist Handed Over to Iraqis by U.S. May Face Only Minor Criminal Charge
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Not to mention:

"Sinaloa drug cartel was sending elite assassins to train on weapons and explosives with Islamic radicals in Iran.44 The article reported that this travel was facilitated through Venezuela, courtesy of the direct airline flights established between the two countries, and that some of the operatives even used Venezuelan travel documents.45 This mutually beneficial arrangement allowed the assassins to receive training in guerilla tactics, while the extremists gained entry into Latin America with its relative ease of access to the Untied States.

The article went so far as to claim that some extremist group members were purchasing marriages to local Venezuelan and Mexican nationals in order to take on Latino surnames, increasing ease of entry into the United States.46 Taken together, these reports indicate extensive associations between Iran, Hezbollah and drug cartels, highlighting the potential for Hezbollah to utilize these groups’ existing support networks and infrastructure.

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It is a known fact that Hezbollah is working with MANY cartels. Why is the media emphasis on Zetas alone?

The Sinaloa Cartel is a global criminal organization that moves up to two-thirds of drugs into the United States and operates in 52 countries.

The Obama regime is brilliant (Obama being merely the useful figurehead)---a fascist oligarchy criminally operating like queen bees...worker bees firmly in tow.

Untethered from ethics, morality, and law...

I am not optimistic.

Having said that, I forwarded my post to someone who is in regular contact with a successful federal prosecutor, now also a respected journalist. Although not in his area of expertise, I am hoping he might weigh in on the legalities of the last link I cited in my post:

Gunwalker: Justice Dept. Violated U.S. Laws Beyond Those Being Investigated

I wish Mark Levin and other legal experts who have the public's ear and respect would do the same.

I am also curious if Issa has this statute in mind.

We can't defer hope to the next election; however, GOP candidates have a bully pulpit few of our conservative leaders are willing to use. Will any candidate be willing to aim for the jugular? I doubt it. The outcry will have to come from a conservative grassroots groundswell.

IMO, the factual evidence for a big-picture conspiracy is beginning to come into view---of which F & F was only one important thread that unraveled by the death of Brian Terry, and now that unraveled thread threatens to unravel the whole fabric of the conspiracy. Is it any wonder that F & F is depicted as just a "botched" operation inspired by misguided and errant underlings who only deserve "reassignment" as penalty for their keystone-cops plan?

50 posted on 01/01/2012 11:55:47 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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