Posted on 02/20/2012 6:58:11 AM PST by Petrosius
“M_O_N_E_Y! The Catholic Church does not cut off the heads (figuratively speaking) of Liberal Catholic Deep Pocket Parishioners...”
Just heard a little while ago on the Rush Limbaugh show from a caller who is Catholic that when his parish priest had given a homily on the recent issue of enforced birth control coverage, a man stood up and screamed at the priest, before walking out. The rest of the Catholics who had also been there stood up and applauded the priest.
Actually, the problem is that the democrat party is a master dividing non-Catholic Christians and Catholics with the same old lies they've always used.They did it when public financing of education was the issue in the late eighteen hundreds, they did it during the decades leading up to Roe v. Wade, and they're doing the exact same thing again. This time, rather than going for an outright split between the two groups, they're working hard to keep non-Catholic Christians on the sidelines. They've already managed to have their fist big lie accepted, the lie that the majority of Catholics agree with the fascists in charge of the country right now when the truth is that nothing like a majority of practicing Catholics agrees with or has agreed with the fascists for quite a long time. Everyone who was baptized Catholic as a child isn't now and many never have been practicing Catholics but they're a practicing statistic when it comes time for propaganda. It's no different than the situation among non-Catholic Christians these days. Plenty of non-Catholic Christians go along with ordaining queers, and even more who claim to be Christian never darken the door of a Church but still show up as non-Catholic Christians in surveys. That doesn't mean "Christians are all for ordaining queers", it just means a lot of people claim to be Christian who really aren't just like a lot of people claim to be Catholic and really aren't.
The blather about excommunication I see crop up so often is just part and parcel of the same propaganda campaign, especially since there's no such thing as excommunication among those most frequently bashing the Church for not throwing people under the bus by the cart load. While I think high profile public figures like Pelosi the hag running HHS should be excommunicated, the Church has always been open to prodigal sons returning even after decades of ignoring the Church. The mere fact that excommunication is possible, though, becomes a propaganda tool to muddy the water and hide the truth. While The Church may well have a different attitude towards those who publicly defame and defy the Church in public office from now on, there will still be plenty of people who aren't practicing Catholics but who do show up as Catholics for propaganda purposes.
It's nothing to worry about, though, if the same democrat strategy that has always worked before works this time, there won't be any more battles over religious objections to anything ever again. The Fascists will have de facto established a State religion and the First Amendment will be history.
JMHO
Friend, my wife is a Catholic. The prayers at Mass in four diocese match the DLEMM (Stealing that one by the way!) message in all but abortion.
You may be right, but the polling data leans my way. I know what the Vatican says, and that means I am ahead of about 85% of Catholics. And I am a Lutheran. What is preached from the pulpit and prayed during the prayers is what I have said. What Rome says (and most of the orthodox doctrine says) is not for the State to do it, but the Church (meaning us) to do it.
But most US Catholics see themselves as Democrats or liberal. That is why you had the whole “seamless garment” argument. A lot of the DNC agenda matches what the rank and file Catholic wants.
If the GOP ever got its head in the game, they could capitalize on that.
I understand what you are saying, and I agree to a point. But ‘THE CHURCH’ did not do this. American Catholic bishops did it.
''American gangsterism during Prohibition days was largely a Roman Catholic monopoly,'' he writes. ''From these days into our time emerges the Mafia, totally Roman Catholic in fact and in origin.'' He even quotes an unnamed former priest as saying ''some priests in the Chicago area said Mass in the morning and slipped into the Mafia for the rest of the day.''
I'm only sayin'...
If you don’t think influence peddling (mucho moolah) goes on in the Catholic Church, your a bigger crack-head than Biden.
The LCMS did not march in to defend the Catholics. All their statements against the HHS mandate never use the word ‘Catholic’, but instead limit the mandate to what it does to the LCMS. SBC and others a different story!
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Pat Buchanan: 'Obama is trampling on God's turf' (Video)
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Southern Baptist leader: Obama gave Christians ‘the dismissive back’ of his hand
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Obama Bows to Pressure, but His Religious 'Accommodation' Even Worse
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Southern Baptist leader: If Obama mandate isn’t changed, Christians will go to jail
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Boehner vows to overturn Obama’s birth control coverage rule
Boehner: Congress to overturn birth control policy if Obama does not reverse course
O'Brien says Archdiocese of Baltimore won't offer birth control coverage
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Obama’s ‘war on the church’
Pope hits out at 'radical secularism'
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