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DNA shows Irish people have more complex origins than previously thought
scott.net ^ | July 5, 2013 | Marie McKeown

Posted on 01/11/2014 6:13:55 AM PST by NYer

The blood in Irish veins is Celtic, right? Well, not exactly. Although the history many Irish people were taught at school is the history of the Irish as a Celtic race, the truth is much more complicated, and much more interesting than that ...

Research done into the DNA of Irish males has shown that the old Anthropological attempts to define 'Irish' have been misguided. As late as the 1950s researchers were busy collecting data among Irish people such as hair colour and height, in order to categorise them as a 'race' and define them as different to the British. In fact British and Irish people are closely related in their ancestry.

Research into Irish DNA and ancestry has revealed close links with Scotland stretching back to before the Ulster Planation of the early 1600s. But the closest relatives to the Irish in DNA terms are actually from somewhere else entirely!


Medieval map of Ireland, showing Irish tribes. Irish origin myths confirmed by modern scientific evidence



The earliest settlers came to Ireland around 10,000 years ago, in Stone Age times. There are still remnants of their presence scatter across the island. Mountsandel in Coleraine in the North of Ireland is the oldest known site of settlement in Ireland - remains of woven huts, stone tools and food such as berries and hazelnuts were discovered at the site in 1972.

But where did the early Irish come from? For a long time the myth of Irish history has been that the Irish are Celts. Many people still refer to Irish, Scottish and Welsh as Celtic culture - and the assumtion has been that they were Celts who migrated from central Europe around 500BCE. Keltoi was the name given by the Ancient Greeks to a 'barbaric' (in their eyes) people who lived to the north of them in central Europe. While early Irish art shows some similarities of style to central European art of the Keltoi, historians have also recognised many significant differences between the two cultures.

The latest research into Irish DNA has confirmed that the early inhabitants of Ireland were not directly descended from the Keltoi of central Europe. In fact the closest genetic relatives of the Irish in Europe are to be found in the north of Spain in the region known as the Basque Country. These same ancestors are shared to an extent with the people of Britain - especially the Scottish.

DNA testing through the male Y chromosome has shown that Irish males have the highest incidence of the haplogroup 1 gene in Europe. While other parts of Europe have integrated contiuous waves of new settlers from Asia, Ireland's remote geographical position has meant that the Irish gene-pool has been less susceptible to change. The same genes have been passed down from parents to children for thousands of years.

This is mirrored in genetic studies which have compared DNA analysis with Irish surnames. Many surnames in Irish are Gaelic surnames, suggesting that the holder of the surname is a descendant of people who lived in Ireland long before the English conquests of the Middle Ages. Men with Gaelic surnames, showed the highest incidences of Haplogroup 1 (or Rb1) gene. This means that those Irish whose ancestors pre-date English conquest of the island are direct descendants of early stone age settlers who migrated from Spain.


The Kingdom of Dalriada c 500 AD is marked in green. Pictish areas marked yellow. Irish and British DNA : a comparison

Irish origin myths confirmed by modern scientific evidence

One of the oldest texts composed in Ireland is the Leabhar Gabhla, the Book of Invasions. It tells a semi-mythical history of the waves of people who settled in Ireland in earliest time. It says the first settlers to arrive in Ireland were a small dark race called the Fir Bolg, followed by a magical super-race called the Tuatha de Danaan (the people of the goddess Dana).

Most interestingly, the book says that the group which then came to Ireland and fully established itself as rulers of the island were the Milesians - the sons of Mil, the soldier from Spain. Modern DNA research has actually confirmed that the Irish are close genetic relatives of the people of northern Spain.

While it might seem strange that Ireland was populated from Spain rather than Britain or France, it is worth remembering that in ancient times the sea was one of the fastest and easiest ways to travel. When the land was covered in thick forest, coastal settlements were common and people travelled around the seaboard of Europe quite freely.

I live in Northern Ireland and in this small country the differences between the Irish and the British can still seem very important. Blood has been spilt over the question of national identity.

However, the lastest research into both British and Irish DNA suggests that people on the two islands have much genetically in common. Males in both islands have a strong predominance of Haplogroup 1 gene, meaning that most of us in the British Isles are descended from the same Spanish stone age settlers.

The main difference is the degree to which later migrations of people to the islands affected the population's DNA. Parts of Ireland (most notably the western seaboard) have been almost untouched by outside genetic influence since hunter-gatherer times. Men there with traditional Irish surnames have the highest incidence of the Haplogroup 1 gene - over 99%.

At the same time London, for example, has been a mutli-ethnic city for hundreds of years. Furthermore, England has seen more arrivals of new people from Europe - Anglo-Saxons and Normans - than Ireland. Therefore while the earliest English ancestors were very similar in DNA and culture to the tribes of Ireland, later arrivals to England have created more diversity between the two groups.

Irish and Scottish people share very similar DNA. The obvious similarities of culture, pale skin, tendancy to red hair have historically been prescribed to the two people's sharing a common celtic ancestry. Actually it now seems much more likely that the similarity results from the movement of people from the north of Ireland into Scotland in the centuries 400 - 800 AD. At this time the kingdom of Dalriada, based near Ballymoney in County Antrim extended far into Scotland. The Irish invaders brought Gaelic language and culture, and they also brought their genes.

Irish Characteristics and DNA

The MC1R gene has been identified by researchers as the gene responsible for red hair as well as the accompanying fair skin and tendency towards freckles. According to recent research, genes for red hair first appeared in human beings about 40,000 to 50,000 years ago.

These genes were then brought to the British Isles by the original settlers, men and women who would have been relatively tall, with little body fat, athletic, fair-skinned and who would have had red hair. So red-heads may well be descended from the earliest ancestors of the Irish and British.

A spoof (and very funny) exploration into the characteristics of all Irish-blooded males can be read at this link: www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend. Identified genes include IMG or the Irish Mother Gene and the GK (MF) S Gene Kelly-Michael-Flately-Syndrome which explains the inability of the Irish man to move his hips while dancing!



TOPICS: History; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: agriculture; ancientautopsies; ancientnavigation; bookofinvasions; bronzeage; caledonia; celtic; celts; dalraida; dna; epigraphyandlanguage; fartyshadesofgreen; genealogy; genetics; gingergene; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; hibernia; indoeuropeans; ireland; irish; neolithic; thebookofinvasions
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To: NYer

All of this has been known for decades from historical sources - without any DNA evidence.


21 posted on 01/11/2014 7:13:20 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: sodpoodle

“British” isn’t necessarily a reference to English. Even the Celts in the British Isles used that term before the English arrived.


22 posted on 01/11/2014 7:22:24 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: NYer
Irish and Scottish people share very similar DNA
I'm of Irish descent ... at least three gg-Grandparents came to America about 1850.
Had my DNA tested a few years ago and discovered my Haplogroup is R-M269, with 91% of my DNA being of Orcadian origin.
I question that 91% is 100% valid, but it does suggests my ancestors once occupied the Orkney Islands of Scotland, which have links to the Vikings.
23 posted on 01/11/2014 7:41:07 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: NYer

My dad always claimed we were “Black Irish.” Ancestors he traced all came from West Coast of Ireland. Anecodatally, tall, thin, black hair, fair skin (that tans) blue eyes...our surname begins a “J” and that somehow figured into the equation.


24 posted on 01/11/2014 7:42:05 AM PST by PennsylvaniaMom ( Just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...n)
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To: NYer
FYI ping for those who are of Irish descent. Enjoy!

Thank the Basques too.

25 posted on 01/11/2014 7:52:36 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: NYer

Is this really news? Hasn’t anyone heard of Galicia?


26 posted on 01/11/2014 7:55:14 AM PST by Romulus
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To: JimRed
That red headed cutie

Looks like he could be a tough little guy when he grows up.

27 posted on 01/11/2014 7:59:45 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: zot

DNA ping, see also post #6


28 posted on 01/11/2014 7:59:55 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: James C. Bennett

I remember reading that Scots and Jewish inhabitants of northern Spain share a particular blood disorder. Anyone else remember this report?


29 posted on 01/11/2014 8:01:36 AM PST by abclily
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To: NYer
Thank you!

But this is mostly theoretical.

You can find a much more practical analysis here. ;-)

30 posted on 01/11/2014 8:07:45 AM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: Saoirise

FYI&P.S. ‘Slaite’!


31 posted on 01/11/2014 8:44:39 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: 444Flyer

I told ya we are a complicated bunch.

And it’s Slainte,


32 posted on 01/11/2014 8:50:25 AM PST by Saoirise (Keep Larry Hutchins Free - USMC)
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To: Mouton

LOL! You may have ducked that comeback....but I suspect that she will engage in some sort of clever retribution (with a twinkling eye and a profound sense of humor...unless she hasn’t been saying her prayers).

;-)


33 posted on 01/11/2014 8:56:06 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: NYer
"magical super-race"


34 posted on 01/11/2014 9:02:33 AM PST by bgill
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To: NYer; SunkenCiv

“The earliest settlers came to Ireland around 10,000 years ago, in Stone Age times...”

The above is the most important statement of the whole article. You’re probably asking yourself, why?

Because the last Ice Age began to end around 15,000 years ago and the sea level was 400 feet lower than today. Ice extended as far south as Scotland and across to Ireland. The weight of that ice caused a ‘bulge’ in the earth’s crust to the south and west.

There was no English Channel filled with sea water - it was dry land and connected to Europe’s wide grazing space through Germany and Poland, fronting the northern ice sheet, and extending across Europe to above the Old Euxine Lake (later to become the New Euxine Sea [modern Black Sea]).

Ice age France had large glaciers in it’s central area and hunters from Spain probably followed game that retreated north up the western side of this ice, towards what is today the English Channel. People were already there, and to avoid territorial disputes, the migrants from Spain stayed far to the west and moved up the western parts of present day Ireland towards land which later would be flooded by the rising sea.

Land west of present day Ireland was later flooded by the rising sea level combined with subsidence, as the ice sheet ‘bulge’ slowly disappeared. The sea flooded into areas formerly grazing land connecting England to the continent, and today the bones of those now extinct creature, the mammoths and wooly rhinos, are brought up by fishermen in the North Sea and English Channel.


35 posted on 01/11/2014 11:31:31 AM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: SunkenCiv

I have already linked in to ‘godsgravesglyphs’. Seemed a good match.


36 posted on 01/11/2014 11:33:20 AM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: NYer
The obvious similarities of culture, pale skin, tendency to red hair...

Hooray for red hair!
37 posted on 01/11/2014 12:02:14 PM PST by redheadtoo
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. DNA research is fascinating. The language similarities at Post #6 are also interesting.


38 posted on 01/11/2014 12:36:10 PM PST by zot
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To: Saoirise

Must use Celtic spellcheck next time.lol


39 posted on 01/11/2014 12:58:40 PM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: SatinDoll

I was listening to a podcast and the author said the natives of Britain in stone age times would gather hazelnuts by cutting the trees down.


40 posted on 01/11/2014 1:27:00 PM PST by Sawdring
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