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Dogs descended from wolf pack on Yangtze river
Telegraph ^ | Sep 2, 2009 | Unknown

Posted on 09/04/2009 2:58:00 AM PDT by decimon

Today's dogs are all descended from a pack of wolves tamed 16,000 years ago on the shores of the Yangtze river, according to new research.

It was previously known that the birthplace of the dog was eastern Asia but historians were not able to be more precise than that.

However, now researchers have made a number of new discoveries about the history of man's best friend - including that the dog appeared about 16,000 years ago south of the Yangtze river in China.

It has also been discovered that even though the dog has a single geographical origin it descends from a "large number of animals - at least several hundred tamed wolves, probable even more"...

Peter Savolainen, a biology researcher at the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Stockholm and who led the study with a team of Chinese researches, said: "For the first time in world history it is possible to provide a detailed picture of the dog, with its birthplace, point in time, and how many wolves were tamed.

"This is a considerably more specific date and birthplace than had previously been put forward.

"Our earlier findings from 2002 have not been fully accepted, but with our new data there will be greater acceptance.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Pets/Animals; Science
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; china; creation; doggieping; dogs; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; multiregionalism; river; science; yangtze

1 posted on 09/04/2009 2:58:00 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

I wonder if they know what their names were and if they had their rabies shots.


2 posted on 09/04/2009 3:11:22 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
got a problem?..send Vick

hide your beagle,Vick’s an eagle

3 posted on 09/04/2009 3:13:31 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: decimon

I thought they came from two off of Noahs Ark.


4 posted on 09/04/2009 3:14:30 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: decimon

dumb question. does this mean every breed descended from wolves and those with different mutations led to the first breeds of dogs?


5 posted on 09/04/2009 3:20:28 AM PDT by machogirl
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To: decimon

Irony is some Chinese food descends from dogs.


6 posted on 09/04/2009 3:21:23 AM PDT by Gunflint
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To: decimon; Darksheare
Today's dogs are all descended from a pack of wolves tamed 16,000 years ago on the shores of the Yangtze river...

Well, I'm glad that's finally cleared up!

7 posted on 09/04/2009 3:28:07 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear
Well, I'm glad that's finally cleared up!

Until next week.

8 posted on 09/04/2009 3:45:12 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Being half dog I believe I can speak with authority on this matter, some dogs came from Asia, others came from Ireland...the more noble breeds anyway.


9 posted on 09/04/2009 4:12:57 AM PDT by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: decimon

So the book “Bond of the Fire” actually happened in China?


10 posted on 09/04/2009 4:28:21 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: decimon

I’ll have to tell my dog.


11 posted on 09/04/2009 4:32:41 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: decimon

In celebration, I am going to buy my dogs a couple of eggrolls.


12 posted on 09/04/2009 4:40:24 AM PDT by Paradox (ObamaCare = Logan's Run ; There is no Sanctuary!)
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To: decimon

OK, now tell me where the original Ants came from and why are they all over the globe. A Chihuahua came from a wolf? I better watch out when I pet one.


13 posted on 09/04/2009 5:06:31 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED FOR "PALIN"!)
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To: decimon

Two problems with claiming China as the origin of dogs. First China was colonized rather late into the neolithic well after the domestication of dogs. Second, just because the wolf pack (Canis lupus chanco) is found in China now doesn’t mean they didn’t migrate there from somewhere else.

Case in point, Yellowstone Park where the present wolves are no relation to the previous ones and are in fact a different subspecies than those wolves.


14 posted on 09/04/2009 5:15:33 AM PDT by Varda
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To: decimon

>>>Today’s dogs are all descended from a pack of wolves tamed 16,000 years ago

Well this is only a ruff estimate of dogification.


15 posted on 09/04/2009 5:20:23 AM PDT by tlb
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To: decimon

How many bitten hands do you think it took to domesticate the wolf?


16 posted on 09/04/2009 5:52:19 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring
How many bitten hands do you think it took to domesticate the wolf?

With me, one. Then get new wolf.

17 posted on 09/04/2009 6:48:08 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
A Chihuahua came from a wolf? I better watch out when I pet one.

Well, in a way. That was a genetic mutation. The chihuahua got all the bad genes. Kinda like Danny DeVito in Twins...

18 posted on 09/04/2009 6:53:44 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: Grizzled Bear; decimon

..and they still haven’t gotten past backside sniffing and rug piddling.
*sigh*


19 posted on 09/04/2009 11:19:32 AM PDT by Darksheare (Tar is cheap, and feathers are plentiful.)
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To: decimon; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

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Thanks decimon.
The most recent common ancestor of all humanity lived just a few thousand years ago, according to a computer model of our family tree. Researchers have calculated that the mystery person, from whom everyone alive today is directly descended, probably lived around 1,500 BC in eastern Asia. [Human populations are tightly interwoven]
Neither of these is proved, and this one I'm quoting here isn't even plausible.

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20 posted on 09/04/2009 3:17:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: decimon
The Dixie Dingo

Still living Wild in the bottom land swamps and forests of the Southeastern United States.

Genetic (mitochondrial DNA) testing being performed at the University of South Carolina, College of Science and Mathematics, indicates that these dogs, related to the earliest domesticated dogs, are the remnant descendants of the feral pariah canids who came across the Bering land mass 8,000 to 11,000 years ago as hunting companions to the ancestors of the Native Americans.

[snip]

21 posted on 09/04/2009 3:22:39 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Maybe they should be called Yangtze Yellers.


22 posted on 09/04/2009 3:25:58 PM PDT by decimon
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To: kalee

My dog’s not a wolf...he’s a shark...a counter shark...if I let him.


23 posted on 09/04/2009 3:26:01 PM PDT by Cailleach
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To: Cailleach

Lacy is a sofa shark, she likes toes.


24 posted on 09/04/2009 3:28:37 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: decimon
"Maybe they should be called Yangtze Yellers."


25 posted on 09/04/2009 3:29:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Lazamataz
Human populations are tightly interwoven

That's because most of us don't date outside our species...

26 posted on 09/04/2009 3:33:25 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 226 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Paradox
In celebration, I am going to buy my dogs a couple of eggrolls.

Great idea - But take it from me... leave him outside for the night. Especially if sweet and sour sauce is involved...

27 posted on 09/04/2009 3:42:14 PM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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To: roamer_1

My dog is so clever that he scored a couple of dog bones from the bank today, and he didn’t even go there! His reputation precedes him!


28 posted on 09/04/2009 3:54:58 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: roamer_1

Now, if I could only teach him to ask for money, I’d be all set.


29 posted on 09/04/2009 3:55:34 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Paradox

lol - when our rottweiler was a little puppy he’d eat just about anything out of my hand...

now that he’s a grown puppy he doesn’t have a taste for oregano and basil anymore. all he wants is meat. he’s a good dog. :-)


30 posted on 09/04/2009 4:00:39 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: blam

According to Answers.com, Old Yeller is a Blackmouth Cur, aka, Southern Cur, Yellow Blackmouth Cur, American Blackmouth Cur, Red Blackmouth Cur, Ladner Blackmouth Cur, Ladner Yellow Blackmouth Cur.

A cur, at any rate. ;-)


31 posted on 09/04/2009 4:05:19 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

So, um, this means all dogs are probably spies for China? Sniffing out our secrets?

What a devious long term plan they made there.


32 posted on 09/04/2009 4:42:13 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
My dog is so clever that he scored a couple of dog bones from the bank today, and he didn’t even go there! His reputation precedes him!

My new pup (Ozzie Shep.) is a terrible mooch and plays up the puppy dog eyes thing... One time to the drive up window, and I had to bring him in for all the girls to cuddle... Ever since, there is a handful of biscuits for Chewy every time. Such a player, he is... :D

33 posted on 09/04/2009 4:42:51 PM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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To: roamer_1

My mom’s chihuahua was always given treats when he was driven through the drive-through lane, too-only the tellers would always ask,”Is that a dog?” first. Way to crush a chihuahua’s pride and dignity !


34 posted on 09/04/2009 4:51:22 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: kalee

Maybe there were sharks in the river that bred into this wolf lineage.


35 posted on 09/04/2009 5:37:57 PM PDT by Cailleach
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To: Cailleach

lol maybe.

BTW...why didn’t you answer your phone? I tried to call you.


36 posted on 09/04/2009 5:54:05 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: null and void

:’) I’d send a link in FReepmail, but it *may* be too offensive... there’s some mighty sick stuff out there on the web, and I found this one while looking for something I vaguely remembered, probably for one of the lists around here; and when I saw it, I almost choked to death laughing at it, even while I was recoiling from it.


37 posted on 09/04/2009 8:46:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv; Lazamataz

You found a picture of Laz???


38 posted on 09/04/2009 8:50:08 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 226 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: decimon
Today's dogs are all descended from a pack of wolves tamed 16,000 years ago on the shores of the Yangtze river, according to new research.

Or 112,000 in dog years.

39 posted on 09/04/2009 9:08:14 PM PDT by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: decimon

>>”...at least several hundred tamed wolves...”

There MUST be more to this story. Taming one wolf would be extremely arduous, and time consuming. They would have had to be kept separate from each other. “A pack” of “several hundred” is wildly improbable.

A pack of a few feral dogs just killed two people, here in America. “Several hundred” semi-domesticated wolves?


40 posted on 09/04/2009 11:35:51 PM PDT by DoorGunner ("...and so, all Israel will be saved")
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