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From Roman Empire to South America? Carthages Lost Warriors | Documentary
YouTube ^ | July 7, 2023 | Hazards and Catastrophes

Posted on 07/17/2023 5:15:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

This documentary rewrites the history of South America: Did Roman slaves escape to the "New World" 2000 years ago?

In 146 B.C., Rome attacked Carthage. The fate of the survivors: they became Roman slaves. This thrilling South America centric documentary poses a thought-provoking question: Could some of these Carthaginian refugees have fled their Roman captors, journeying across the Atlantic to seek refuge in the untamed landscapes of South America?

Unveiling for the first time, compelling evidence that sheds new light on this hypothesis, our documentary delves into fresh archaeological findings in the lush Amazon, employs cutting-edge genetic analyses of South Americas contemporary populace, and inspects the ancient secrets held by Chachapoya mummies. Assembling this historical jigsaw, the documentary uncovers an awe-inspiring possibility: Over 2000 years ago, Mediterranean seafarers – possibly escaping Roman dominance – might have populated the 'New World', thereby forming an unexpected link between the ancient Romans and the vibrant cultures of South America. Enjoy the documentary "Carthages Lost Warriors".
From Roman Empire to South America? Carthages Lost Warriors | Documentary | 53:21
Hazards and Catastrophes | 310K subscribers | 36,940 views | July 7, 2023
From Roman Empire to South America? Carthages Lost Warriors | Documentary | 53:21 | Hazards and Catastrophes | 310K subscribers | 36,940 views | July 7, 2023

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Intro
0:01·in the jungle of South America a bronze ax is found a cult object from the time
0:08·before Columbus which should not be here at all is it possible that Warriors from
0:15·the old world join it as far as quill up the most powerful Fortress in America
0:22·relics of the of the legendary Cloud Warriors the Chacha Boya these mummies conceal a baffling mystery
0:31·over the course of time I've come across such a large amount of evidence from a
0:38·wide variety of areas which are points towards one Theory but in
0:43·ancient times people from the old world reach Peru and joined forces
1:04·[Music] the Phoenicians a seafaring people founded Carthage at the site of

Carthage
1:12·unique strategic importance in the Mediterranean
1:17·from here the trading Metropolis rules the center of the ancient world with its fortress-like
1:25·location and secure natural Harbor nothing can stop the nation becoming the number one sea power
1:33·precious resources and luxury goods arrive here from all over the world in a ceaseless flow laying
1:40·the foundation for incredible wealth The Harbor at Carthage was the gateway to the known world at
1:48·that time and sometimes even further afield warga lives with 170 oarsmen or more set sail from here
1:58·the first of these galleys were trirems with three rows of oars but then came the
2:04·even more powerful ships thus the carthaginian captains dared to sail far out into the Atlantic

The Lost Warriors
2:18·they ventured up the western coast of Africa as far as present-day Cameroon
2:23·from Morocco they were able to control the trade in gold they obtained Copper from tatessos and the Celtic city of coronia dominated sea routes to the north
2:34·to the tin miles of Cornwall in Britain their best warriors came from the Balearic
2:41·Islands [Music] for many years Hans giffon has studied the ancient history of the Spanish Islands
2:50·he is particularly fascinated by the cultural Legacy of the Phoenicians the German Professor
2:57·takes a keen interest in the ancient legends valuable sources of lost knowledge [Music]
3:07·finds it impossible to believe that such a capable people as the carthaginians simply vanished when
3:14·their trading Empire collapsed surely the survivors would have started a new life somewhere else he is convinced of this he begins his search for Clues here on the Balearic Islands
3:28·Phoenicians and carthaginians often journey to Majorca establishing trading settlements as they did in the Mediterranean and further afield
3:36·many thousands of Iberian soldiers fought in the carthaginian Army which included men from
3:42·various Nations the stone slingers from the Balearic Islands were considered particularly
3:48·effective forming a much feared Elite hard to imagine that these wild Warriors and
3:54·their proud generals from Carthage would have let themselves be enslaved [Music]
4:05·but what alternatives were open to them
4:12·did they flee across the ocean to Peru
4:18·are the dead at kuilap the descendants of these Celts and carthaginians as Professor gifon suggests

Carthage and the Phoenicians
4:29·Carthage the most important port of its day the nautical skills of the Phoenicians are a key element in gifon's hypothesis the cargo
4:40·port at Carthage was open to All Ships but only carthaginian warships were allowed through the
4:46·Baruch gate behind this gate secret boathouses have been constructed each six meters wide and
4:53·30 meters long space for 350 warships with a crew of one hundred thousand men
5:02·on lands too the superpower spread fear and Terror its War relevance were a feared weapon
5:11·so much power also provoked bitter resistance the up-and-coming Rome soon became a dangerous rival
5:26·after three bloody wars the Roman Empire was able to defeat Carthage hundreds of
5:32·thousands died in the burning City countless more enslaved but many must have been able to flee
5:44·Professor giffon believes that many of the elite Warriors managed to escape their Trail takes us to Northern Spain

Northern Spain
5:55·for two thousand years the Tower of Hercules at coronia has been shining across the ocean
6:01·it was built by the Romans based on the great Pharos of Alexandria one of
6:06·the seven wonders of the world ever since then the light has Shone over the Atlantic
6:14·far out over the water into the dreaded Bay of Biscay on the sea route to America just as was the case two thousand years ago [Music]
6:25·when The Harbor at Corona was an important staging post for ships heading to Northern Shores
6:39·here seafarers from Carthage and throughout the Mediterranean came into contact with
6:44·Celtic iberians who had been sailing the northern ocean for thousands of years
6:51·business is conducted
6:57·The Riches of the country traded for precious goods from overseas practice that continues today among the descendants of the kennels and the
7:05·carthaginians trade brings the world together information is passed on all the latest news
7:17·[Music] about goods and Technologies not yet known here but earlier also
7:29·about unexplored coastlines Beyond the Horizon
7:36·about Voyages of Discovery made by the Sea captains of Carthage which
7:41·took them right across the Atlantic perhaps they even got as far as Brazil
7:50·even if it were theoretically possible for the carthaginians to have reached Brazil this
7:55·doesn't indicate by any means that they really got there more evidence would be required and such evidence is found in the writings of ancient historians such as diadoris
8:07·the Greek historian diadorus reports in his history of the world that the carthaginians have
8:14·discovered Paradise far beyond all known inhabited countries a land with wild animals rivers that
8:22·could be navigated by ship and high mountains but they kept this discovery a secret perhaps
8:28·this is where they set sail from carthaginian refugees and their Celtic allies from Spain
8:40·it seems to me that without the nautical skills of the carthaginians it would hardly have been possible for the Celtic iberians and the stone slingers of New Yorker to cross the Atlantic
8:52·carthaginian sea captains perfected the nautical Legacy of their Phoenician forefathers
8:58·they could ascertain their latitude by the length of the shadow cast by the midday Sun
9:06·at night they would navigate by the Polar Star in the constellation of the little bear the star known as The Phoenician star in ancient times [Music]
·Crossing the Atlantic
9:19·as has always been the case ships are driven by the winds and ocean currents
9:24·across the Atlantic from West Africa to the northeastern coast of Brazil
9:34·has also crossed the Atlantic entirely by herself this woman from Heidelberg
9:42·covered the 6500 kilometers from Southern Portugal to the Caribbean island of Barbados
9:49·using her own muscle power it took her 90 days and she used a high-tech rowing boat

Critical Situations
10:03·of course it wasn't like a lake in the park there were some critical situations waves up to eight
10:09·or nine meters high collisions or near-misses with fishing trawlers and getting caught in their Nets
10:17·foreign
10:22·but you're permanently soaking wet once you're in the boat you can't turn back
10:38·and row against the current Against the Wind so in other words you just have to
10:43·make it even in ancient times large boats rode by strong men must somehow
10:49·have been able to do it once they were on the water they would have had to get there
10:55·after three weeks on the high seas the carthaginian ships could have reached the tropical coastline they would not have imagined that they had discovered a completely new world
11:07·the island of itamaraka lies off the coast of Brazil an ideal Landing site for carthaginians
11:15·since the islands which are close to the coast could be used as a base that is easy to defend
11:21·Fort Orange here dates back to the 17th century
11:27·underneath the Dutch Fortress there are remains of an ancient Indian settlement as indicated by ceramic fragments found here
11:35·everywhere curious fragments of white clay are lying around in the sand
11:42·is these are the remains of Dutch clay pots we found more than five thousand
11:49·of them they certainly smoked a lot here at Fort Orange up to now the archaeologist has
11:56·not found any traces of carthaginians and little remains of the original inhabitants
12:03·in ancient times exhausted seafarers would have found conditions here extremely
12:09·difficult after crossing the Atlantic the archaeologist is convinced of that [Music]
12:17·the kind of dangers facing them are outlined in an account by a German mercenary in the 16th century
12:23·hanstaden is taken prisoner by cannibals off the coast of Brazil he sees how these people slaughter
12:30·their enemies cut them into pieces and then eat them however as well as portraying such gruesome
12:38·practices he also describes the inhabitants here as very open to trade by barter that was
12:46·exactly the strength of the carthaginians could this have been their chance of survival foreign
12:54·there are no accounts of a transatlantic expedition to Brazil at any time before
13:03·Columbus but not far from the coast at Rio paraiba there is an archaeological Summit which could be
13:11·extremely significant the legendary Pedra though Inga the rock is part of a huge natural Monument
13:20·countless figures and glyphs have been engraved into the monolith ever since their Discovery they have bewildered experts
13:35·here in paraiba a very long time ago the attack culture existed many Engravings
13:42·in stone remain from this period such as here but we don't know how these people
13:48·thought or how they behaved we simply are not able to understand the messages which people immortalized themselves it's a mystery
14:01·however does it seem likely that the people who did this were not simple natives maybe it was a completely different culture two thousand years ago

petroglyphs
14:14·at an early stage local archaeologists noticed that many of the petroglyphs of
14:19·the rock of the Inga displayed similarities with writing from the old world in classical times I've studied this only similarities with individual letters were found not with
14:29·complete words however similarities were mainly with letters from a Celtic Iberian alphabet
14:39·four symbols engraved on the stone resemble letters from ancient European languages
14:45·we know their phonetic value but so far it has not been possible to translate the
14:51·Engravings on this Brazilian Rock Monument into a meaningful text
14:57·merchants or settlers would hardly consider the parched Hinterland of the Rio paraiba a Garden of Eden and the river itself is not navigable for very far
15:09·the tropical coastal region gives way to a desert of rock and dust
15:17·a dead end for seafarers as any explorers would soon discover they're only alternative would be to return to the Atlantic coast

Amazon
15:30·to the Northwest there is a river of Dimensions that almost beg a belief surrounded by dense jungle the Amazon
15:40·tropical rainforests would hardly have been a new site for seafarers from Carthage
15:46·they may well have seen similar vegetation in Africa but how the jungle have struck their Celtic allies fascinating menacing
16:00·lurking in the green hell with the original inhabitants
16:07·in the year 1492 the unwieldy ships Christopher Columbus had for his
16:12·expedition took 36 days to cover the distance from the Canary Islands to the Bahamas this is
16:19·twice as far as the shortest distance between West Africa and South America
16:24·by taking the fastest route seafarers in ancient times could also have reached Brazil
16:33·the natives immediately spot any Intruders who don't know the law of the Jungle and find
16:38·it difficult to master the situation even with Superior weapon technology
16:44·thus Spanish and Portuguese Invaders had sad stories to tell when they attempted
16:50·to colonize the Amazon in the 16th century everything is hostile death lurks everywhere
17:00·being exactly like this two thousand years ago too
17:06·the first rule of survival for any stranger here is not to venture too far from the shelter of the ship
17:18·and to bring with you plenty of colorful presents for the locals he conquistadors did
17:29·[Music] for a tribal Chief perhaps a metal Ax from a carthaginian workshop in southern Spain would be appropriate
17:40·it is close to the Amazon Delta that the Portuguese established their first base
17:47·from here they exploit the tropical wealth around them with a blessing and encouragement of their God as they announced to the wild heathens

Archeology
18:01·in Berlin today archaeologists are hard at work studying Indian culture The godi Institute has
18:09·gathered evidence about Amazonian tribes which were neither wild nor non-religious
18:17·for thousands of years there was a developed civilization here
18:24·even the Brazilian cult garment the Tanga was invented at that time as shown by this ceramic
18:31·version Dr Maura da Silvera is the curator of the archaeological Treasures of the Amazon
18:39·every day objects thousands of years old are stored in her vaults
18:48·special cult objects were made from precious materials this valuable
18:53·spearhead from rock crystal is a highlight of the collection
18:58·terracotta Idols painted in Rich colors they are witness to the complex religious beliefs of the malachiwara
19:10·follow the Amazonian culture at that time was highly developed the
19:20·people lived on man-made islands that had been constructed in the marsh ES
19:33·the very first people to excavate this area was staggered by the extraordinary
19:38·fines dating back to the marital civilization the funeral lands painted in a variety of colors a reminiscent of classical forms found in the
19:49·Mediterranean Greek vases with Celtic spiral patterns the Amazon basin has been settled for 11

Population Explosion
19:58·000 years but for a long time the population here was small but two thousand years ago there
20:06·was a population explosion and this growth took place extremely quickly
20:15·in 1541 according to an eyewitness a Spanish Expedition ventured up the
20:22·amazon in search of the legendary country of gold the chronicler reports that they were
20:28·suddenly attacked arrows rained down upon them from the densely populated Riverbank
20:35·naked light-skinned women were fighting in the front line of the enemy forces it was
20:41·reports about these Fearless Amazons that led to the river being given its present name although such accounts were considered untrustworthy by many
20:54·their skepticism was unfounded as recent archaeological excavations show
20:59·in the Amazon region there really were large settlements with thousands of inhabitants the
21:05·population was supported by Lush fields of maize tended with special agricultural techniques
21:12·the Amazon is home to the plant that will provide seeds which as cocoa will conquer
21:18·the entire world that the Spanish kennels ate chocolatier 2000 years ago is pure speculation
21:28·only now as an understanding about the flourishing Amazon civilization being rediscovered
21:33·today experts have no doubt whatsoever two thousand years ago a cultural revolution took place there the formal style used by
21:43·artists developed in Leaps and Bounds did the impulse come from the other side of the ocean

Ceramic Style
21:50·this special ceramic style is really fascinating it was first developed funeral earns in such
22:01·a range of colors only appeared in the upper Amazon region much later than this
22:06·that's why I believe that the development began in marriage and influenced the other regions later
22:12·it's often suggested that this new style might come from outside the region
22:27·the fact that the archaeological finds recall Mediterranean objects raises a fascinating
22:33·possibility could seafarers have brought new ideas from the old world two thousand years ago

Axe
22:42·Heinz budvig is convinced that this was the case the German Brazilian amateur
22:48·archaeologist has found more evidence an ancient ax as far as budwig is concerned
22:55·this is 100 proof that foreign explorers landed in Brazil long before Columbus
23:03·the river that forms the border between Brazil and Bolivia
23:12·and he said he bought it direct from a Bolivian Indian the thing has to be genuine even the wooden handle was still quite down a chance find a metal ax encrusted with patina with a wooden handle
23:26·but what does the figure on the blade of the ax represent
23:31·the head of a bull or it could perhaps be an antelope but in
23:36·any case it's an animal that didn't exist in South America
23:43·does everything he can to shed light on the mysterious find from the jungle
23:49·in The geoscience Institute of the University of Sao Paulo scientists examine the acts with the latest laboratory technology the result comes as a surprise

The Journey
24:00·[Music] is 61 copper and 39 zinc and metal alloys
24:10·like this didn't exist in America before the arrival of Europeans with the gelato
24:16·another important point is that the wooden handle comes from the
24:21·forest in the panzania a marshy region around the Rio Paraguay and this wood has been dated by scientific methods it's about 1 500 years old
24:38·two thousand years ago there was an extensive trading network based on the rivers of the Amazon
24:43·basin could this have been how the cult acts got to the interior of the continent
24:51·did cows and carthaginians simply follow the Watercourse from the coast heading further and further Upstream
24:59·it has been reported that Indians escaping from slave Traders fled as far as the chachapoya
25:07·this means they covered the huge distance of almost 4 000 kilometers from the Atlantic coast of
25:14·Brazil to Peru so evidently the journey would not have been impossible for determined individuals
25:26·but could immigrants from the old world also have done this made their way through the
25:32·biggest jungle in the world threatened by wild animals and unknown diseases
25:40·in the end the refugees would have found a gigantic mountain range blocking their path
25:46·the Andes does the trail of the Celts and the carthaginians lead here to cool up the
25:55·most gigantic of the chachapoya structures the biggest Fortress ever built in South America
26:02·the computer reconstruction reveals that in terms of the massive Stone used kuilap is even bigger than the kiops Pyramid in Egypt
26:12·the chachapoya were fantastic Masons they even buried the dead in their houses where did they
26:19·obtain the knowledge that enabled them to build structures like this three thousand meters high
26:30·ornamental decorations on the houses bear witness to an artistic Sensibility
26:35·a sophisticated sewage system indicates high standards of hygiene and comfort
26:41·they're really best known for their architecture but that is what we see now that's the best preserved thing that sits on the surface as we as visitors walk around
26:50·and some of it's really quite spectacular some of it is Monumental it speaks power
26:57·has been living in Peru for over 30 years he was even mayor of the provincial capital
27:04·he is completely captivated by the people here the living and the dead
27:09·all the c14 analyzes We performed so far suggest that it's not really very old it
27:18·dates from around 800 A.D the exception is here at the main entrance 500 A.D

The Head
27:25·the first time I encountered cool app I was particularly puzzled because no other Fortress in the whole of America displays similar construction techniques but I knew
27:35·fortresses like this were quite common in the Mediterranean region during classical times
27:41·one detail of the main temple in kualab appears to support GIF horns Theory [Music]
27:47·the head engraved in the wall is reminiscent of a gruesome cult on the other side of the
27:53·Atlantic there the Celts would decapitate their prisoners and hang their heads on
27:58·their houses a proud demonstration of power did the chachapoya also practice this ritual
28:09·the Celtic custom of using human hence's trophies is connected with their belief
28:14·that the soul resides in the skull that's why they treated the head as hugely important and
28:20·this also explains why they were masters of trepidation but they weren't the only ones
28:27·both the Celts and the chachapoya would make a hole in the skull of a sick person to relieve pressure on the brain and drive away evil spirits
28:38·we know they use this technique because it's described in hypocratic accounts
28:46·dating back to about 500 BC entrepidation was also practiced later by the cows which we know from archaeological finds in lower Austria
28:55·so this represents a very interesting parallel between the cultures
29:01·is the use of the same healing method evidence of contact between the two cultures
29:07·pieces of a jigsaw puzzle which add up to imrefutable evidence as Professor
29:12·GIF horn believes the decisive proof May well be hidden in koalab
29:20·foreign [Music]
29:26·were special in the sense that they did these kinds of very intricate stone work
29:33·the building is supercharged with power whatever those symbols mean
29:38·and they meant something and very powerful to the chachapoya who were the inhabitants
29:44·of this place and which traditions did they follow in their lives knows the facts
29:51·to make maximum use of the space available because 3 000 people lived here
30:12·to this day the natives of the Andean Highlands tend their fields using methods and implements handed down from their forefathers
30:21·agriculture in the days of the chachapoya would not have looked very different
30:28·back then in the Highland region of Peru
30:37·[Music] foreign Canyon is deeper and wider than the Grand Canyon in the United States this is a hard
30:48·place to live and really it's been very hard for many archaeologists to accept that anybody would
30:54·want to live there what are they doing here why do they want to live there and it sets up the mystery okay clearly they didn't choose to live there the massive Citadel of the chachupoya still
31:07·conceals many puzzles but Professor Gifford believes he is close to finding Solutions
31:13·fortresses like who are lap are not found anywhere in America but archaeologists
31:20·have never considered as an explanation of its origin might be found outside America
31:26·on the other side of the Atlantic the remains of a fortress City can be found on man-made Terraces
31:33·Iberian Celts constructed the city over 2 000 years ago just before or after the
31:39·destruction of Carthage and just as in quillap the houses were built on round Stone foundations
31:47·here too the people who built the city chose an extraordinary location
31:54·perfectly protected from the rest of Iron Age Europe by thick walls the similarities between
32:02·the Celtic settlement on the Atlantic coast of Spain and the mountain Fortress in the
32:07·Andes are staggering did the people who constructed these places know each other
32:19·the mystery can only be explained in South America there is still no conclusive proof that Kelts and carthaginians were ever present in Peru
32:28·even for the Incas the kingdom of the chachapoya was simply too remote
32:37·apply any chroniclers from the Spanish Colonial period ventured this far either
32:45·today the chachapoya settlements are ghost towns hidden steep Rock faces
32:52·funeral figures bear witness to their strange ancestral cult
33:04·s are exploring a burial site that was erected at a dizzying height the Warriors buried tear were
33:11·Headhunters making them unique in the entire Indian Highlands people surrounded by mystery
33:23·German archaeologist Klaus koshmider has also become fascinated by the chachupoya because

Archeological evidence
33:30·we find quite frequent evidence of burials in the roundhouses however this might indicate An
33:41·Origin in the Amazon basin region because it's still the custom there to bury people in houses
33:49·the ritual sites are decorated with paintings and despite the tropical climate since they
33:56·are protected by the Steep Rock faces they can still be made out quite clearly there
34:02·are figures in Splendid costumes crowned with clumps of feathers or wreaths of light
34:11·another excavation also reveals a being with a magnificent headdress [Music]
34:17·in the Celtic mythology of ancient Europe the God cenunos was depicted
34:23·with similar antlers as can be seen here on the silver cauldron of gundestrup in Denmark
34:31·foreign

Storms
34:49·moved here from the East although his East is only a few hundred kilometers away in the Amazon region
35:01·Only The Dead know the truth every storm reveals more skeletons and destroys other traces of the
35:09·chachapoya for days now it has again been raining without a break in the caudillieras
35:18·the sources of the Amazon are transformed into raging torrents
35:24·in lemon Bamba the people are not the only ones who have learned to come to terms with these Natural Forces everybody makes the best of the situation
35:34·which is likely to be repeated many times during the rainy season
35:40·probably the one of the biggest concerns was just the severe weather tremendous hail storms there
35:46·great rainstorms unlike any rain storms I'd ever experienced anywhere in the world a place it just
35:54·seems like the sky is absolutely falling and the ground under your feet turns into liquid it's from
36:01·one rainstorm to the next valleys transform with landslides it's a very dynamic environment and
36:08·it makes perfect sense that they lived on the top of the mountain just for that very reason [Music]

Rescue Expedition
36:16·in April 1997 the ethnologist Peter is allowed by an appeal for help
36:23·grave robbers were plundering a burial site dating to pre-columbian times and many of the
36:28·mummies have been left in the rain unprotected now there is no time to lose organizes a rescue
36:36·Expedition and they set off at the mountain from Lima Bamba the destination is the Laguna De Los
36:43·condores the Lagoon of the Condors local farmers have discovered a previously unknown burial site
36:50·at an altitude of 2 600 meters and the team headed by the German Peruvian leche hopes to preserve it
37:01·the grave robbers have been busy and the place is a shocking sight many of the sarcophagy have
37:07·been smashed the graves devastated there are fragments of chachapoya mummies scattered around
37:19·The Rescuers decide to perform an emergency excavation in the end they managed to transport over 200 mummies to the provincial capital
37:31·today the Dead from the Lagoon of the Condors are kept in Lima Bamba
37:37·the bodies were originally sewn inside sacks in a crouching position
37:44·after being excavated some of the mummies were examined at the University of Vienna
37:52·these people died before the Spanish arrived however the surprising thing is that they show
37:59·traces of diseases which had been assumed to arrive in South America with the Europeans
38:09·in gertingen paleopathologist Professor Schultz performs research
38:15·he attempts to obtain information from the Mortal remains of our ancestors about the
38:20·sicknesses they suffered and the causes of their deaths and the extraordinarily
38:25·large extent of tuberculosis among the chachapoya arouses his interest too

Tuberculosis
38:31·here we have a lesion which is typical for tuberculosis the structure is
38:38·ulcerated and eaten away and these typical changes in bone structure caused by tuberculosis were found in skeletons and mummies of the chatter which is of course
38:48·extremely curious because we now have evidence that the disease was present in the chachapoya population to a significant degree even in the time before in Columbus
39:01·at the same time evidence of tuberculosis alone does not prove there was transatlantic contact with the chachupoya before Columbus
39:10·ancient traces of the disease have also been found in other areas of South America
39:18·the cases of tuberculosis with so far been able to prove among the chachapoya really do correspond to
39:26·cases that we know from The Classical period if these people were the descendants of people who
39:31·came from the old world that would be a possible explanation and we could go further suggesting
39:38·that maybe the disease found its way to the New World by this route at a relatively early stage
39:46·foreign came from why did they build such a massive Fortress here anyway [Music]

The Dead
39:58·suggests that koelap was a bulwark against Invaders from the lowland regions to provide
40:04·protection against neighboring tribes who suffered from starvation during the regular droughts
40:10·archaeologists have found more than 50 skeletons here with skulls that were smashed in
40:19·were the victims attackers or Defenders the Fatal injuries could have been caused
40:25·by axes or slingshots one thing is certain they died violent deaths
40:33·that Frontier can be often a place of lots of jockeying for position for who gets to
40:42·trade with who who gets the wealth who gets to occupy the site at the trailhead who gets this
40:52·much take who gets to be the middleman and so I'm sure that there was a great
40:57·deal of internal politicking shuffling squabbling and probably uh bloodshed
41:06·the administrative center of the province of chachapoya today deals in precious metals and drugs but the proceeds are invested elsewhere

The Mummy
41:18·the collection of mummies in the local archaeological Museum also seem slightly Dusty
41:25·but anthropologists here are gathering important information about the fate of the chachapoya
41:32·and about their Origins
41:39·this mummy is one of a family it's a 25 year old woman with her six-year-old child and her husband
41:59·[Music] three in the back of the head and one in the forehead appear to have been made during wartime
42:11·again and again they find indications of unnatural causes of death traces of murder and violence
42:21·had the reputation of being an extremely warlike people and they used slingshots as their main
42:29·weapon both to defend themselves against attack and to attack their enemies they used slingshots

Slingshots
42:37·which differed completely from those used by the other tribes in Peru [Music] once again the
42:45·trail leads us back to the old world to Majorca here we find a world champion on his way to a
42:52·training session a king among stone slingers he is the balearic's champion with a fine record
42:59·of direct hits but his Rivals are working hard so Juan Caballero spends all his free time practicing
43:10·Professor giffon has brought the champion a reconstructed original Chacha poya slingshot from Peru almost 10 000 kilometers away
43:23·when this is compared with the traditional slingshot from Majorca the expert is startled to discover that the two are practically identical even
43:33·the special way of fastening the loop around the projectile is exactly the same
43:39·Juan remembers that his ancestors used to wrap the slingshots around their heads

Pottery
43:48·the chachapoya also had the habit of proudly wearing their slingshots to Adorn their heads but this custom has died out now
44:00·in the hoankas community in Peru some traditions have been maintained
44:08·many of the inhabitants here still have typical chachapoya names as has been the
44:14·case for centuries a Potter is one of those who are proud of her legendary ancestors
44:25·Pottery is an ancient tradition from the time of the chachapoya
44:31·it has outlasted the arrival of the Spaniards
44:36·we do know that chachapoya were actually a very active Traders they're in the perfect position
44:42·of middlemen everybody wants to be a mental man it's the most lucrative really position so they
44:47·could they had maximum exposure to all of these things which really is one reason why they have
44:53·so many different influences in their art and their architecture and their culture
44:59·they really have the best of all Worlds at their fingertips like New York City in the sense that they were almost a port of trade geographically speaking very strategic

Chachapoya Women
45:10·the women were also highly prized a painting from the Inca period shows captured chachapoya
45:17·women with light skin and reddish blonde hair the king of the Incas would choose
45:22·the most beautiful girls for himself perhaps one would be a blonde like Cecilia Flores
45:29·she lives at the edge of a village in juancas with her family and a lot of pets
45:38·in appearance it is easy to distinguish her from the dark-haired brown-skinned Neighbors
45:44·Cecilia lives the life of a typical Local woman which includes a division of labor
45:51·each day she takes her husband something to eat and drink at his workplace as has
45:56·always been the custom she can't explain why her appearance is so distinctive
46:03·I'm one of four children and three of us have blonde hair two of my cousins do as well they live
46:12·in the city of chachapoya and also one of their daughters while the others are all dark-haired
46:20·claro um my father couldn't explain to us why we are so blonde his grandparents also had hair like this
46:33·there's no statement that says all the judge boys
46:39·um remarked after travels throughout Peru and throughout the Indies as they were known in Panama and the areas that he walked through he said
46:48·these people these chachapoya are the whitest people I have seen they are very agreeable
46:56·graceful the women were are beautiful and often taken as Inca concubines or wives
47:04·and he described how they were dressed sometimes with a slingshot wrapped around the head of the
47:09·males Woolen clothing or cotton clothing but he was clearly impressed with them and thought they
47:18·were attractive people it is also said that there have always been a lot of light-skinned blonde

Lima Bamba
47:25·locals in the village of Lima Bamba although originally it was populated mainly by Indians
47:31·just as in juancas nobody has any information about ancestors of any sort from Europe
47:40·a visit to an elementary school here confirms the reports a significant
47:45·number of the children here have light-colored skin and blonde hair
47:51·now saliva samples are being taken from these children in order to establish their genetic fingerprint
48:01·little Valentina is also allowed to provide a sample although only samples from male donors
48:07·who are not related can provide meaningful results the blonde girl comes from a native
48:13·family none of her relatives can recall any ancestors from a non-indian background
48:24·one has given a saliva sample too his red hair makes him an ideal test subject
48:32·however as with the other pupils this could be caused by a genetic mutation from exclusively Indian ancestors

DNA Analysis
48:44·lab tests performed at the University of Rotterdam in the Netherlands are intended to clear up the issue an international team of experts
48:55·is already waiting for the samples from Peru in the molecular genetic Institute
49:03·under the supervision of Professor Kaiser the scientists succeed in identifying a special marker for hair color in the human genome
49:13·so now we have the first genetic results from the lab of the gringuito samples and the first
49:19·thing we looked for is the question is the red hair color of European origin or is it not of
49:24·European origin we use DNA analysis to basically classify the people according to their Geographic
49:30·origin so what we see there is that these individuals are of mixed ancestry so we indeed
49:36·see between 10 and 50 percent European origin which thus coincide with the red hair but the
49:45·remaining part of their genome as far as we can say from our analysis is of Native American origin
49:52·the genetic analysis also indicates which part of Europe the ancestors of the test person came from

Which part of Europe
49:59·did seafarers from Europe really get as far as America in ancient times did they Venture
50:07·at the Amazon two thousand years ago as far as Peru into the land of the chachapoya [Music]
50:16·do these children carry the answer to this question in their genes
50:23·all the evidence we have at this moment really points for the western part of Europe we detected a type of bichromosome called r1b that has hits its highest
50:34·frequency on the British Isles and in the northern part of the Iberian Peninsula

Galicia
50:39·Galicia once settled by Celts is in Northern Spain
50:45·fresh fish is bought at auction on the keysight in Corona and then taken straight to the market
50:52·the destiny of the people here is determined by fishing and sea trade
51:00·did the forefathers of these galusians take their biological and cultural Legacy with them to Peru

Celtic Warriors
51:14·Celtic warriors did have the ability to sail across the Atlantic two thousand years ago
51:22·foreign the former superpower who were forced to flee from the Roman Legions
51:33·people with the courage of those who have nothing to lose
51:39·refugees full of Hope of finding a new home on the other side of the ocean did they leave traces when
51:50·they got to the new world roundhouses and Fortress walls reminiscent of their Homeland in Galicia
52:00·decorated with an animal that was unknown in South America
52:06·funeral homes with Celtic spiral patterns painted in a style familiar from the Mediterranean or
52:14·highly developed techniques of medical treatment opinions about these theories differ I do not see
52:19·a break in the sequence I don't see a cultural turnover I don't see an invasion of foreign Styles foreign elements something that indicates to me whoa wow everything changed right here in
52:31·the state obviously because they are unique they attract a lot of attention hence giffon is also
52:39·convinced that his idea is correct now he places his hopes in scientific advances there's been
52:47·very little work on exploring the chachapoya culture so I'm expecting lots of surprises
52:54·so far however there are only suggestions that support the professor's vision
53:00·but no smoking gun as yet [Music]

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This one's entertaining, but not all that great.
To many, Columbus is the man who discovered America. Yet, there had been others before him. Following their tracks takes us from the mythical Isle of Thule to the valleys of Wales and to the shores of a once magnificent empire in West Africa. It's a story of colourful legends and bold seafarers who left behind a vexing puzzle of archaeological and historical data. It's the story of the first before Columbus.
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0:13·Christopher Columbus. To many, he is still the man who discovered America.
0:22·Yet, there had been others before him. And he knew it. There were tales and even maps pointing the way.
0:32·But who were the bold men who had preceded Columbus?
0:41·Best known among them, the Viking Leif Eriksson, 500 years before Columbus.
0:52·A Welsh Prince named Madoc, supposed to have built fortified castles along the Ohio River,
0:58·300 years before Columbus. Or King Abubakari from West-African Mali,
1:05·who is said to have used his immeasurable riches to finance a gigantic fleet, 200 years before Columbus.
1:31·Seville, at the time of the "Semana Santa". Even in the days of Columbus,
1:36·the holy week was the biggest religious feast in all of Andalusia.
1:43·The widely-travelled seafarer and outstanding navigator is preparing for an extraordinary voyage
1:49·that will bring him everlasting fame.
1:56·In the cathedral of Seville, they have erected a grandiose monument to honour the man, who - in 1492 -
2:03·allegedly discovered a new continent for the Spanish Crown.
2:08·Columbus opened the gate to fabulous riches and to an overseas empire for Spain. To this day,
2:14·his name is synonymous with the discovery of America. But was his achievement really unique?
2:24·There's another tomb in the cathedral, that of his son, Hernando Colon.
2:29·He inherited the personal papers of his father and spent his life collecting information about the famous discoverer.
2:38·Today, his library is kept in the Institución Colombina.
2:44·You might well call it the most important library of the Renaissance worldwide,
2:50·because Hernando Colon strove to bring together everything about his father and all the knowledge of his time.
3:00·Columbus meticulously recorded geographical data of contemporary discoveries as well as ancient sources.
3:07·When he set out on his famous voyage, he had already travelled most of the known world.
3:12·As early as 1477, one of his forays even took him as far north as the mythical island of Thule.
3:20·Modern historians believe that he must have reached Iceland.
3:26·The land of the Sagas, with tales of its most famous inhabitant, Leif Eriksson.
3:35·His nickname was "the Fortunate". He was born into a family of daring explorers.
3:41·Leif's grandfather had emigrated from Norway to Iceland. His father, the legendary Erik the Red,
3:48·had navigated the icy waters off Greenland and became the first settler on its eastern shores.
3:59·Iceland. This is where Leif grew up. At Eiriksstadir, the farm of Erik the Red.
4:08·When Leif was 12 years old, his father was banned from Iceland for three years for manslaughter.
4:14·Erik wasn't called the Red simply because of his fiery red hair.
4:20·Archaeologist Natascha Mehler is an expert on the history of the Norsemen. To her this is familiar ground. The site where Leif and Erik lived.
4:30·Within walls of sod, two metres thick. Wood is rare on Iceland. There are no windows,
4:36·just a small smoke outlet in the ceiling. In these dark, sparse rooms Leif was born in the year 970 AD.
4:45·15 years later, his father took him and his family to Greenland, an ice-covered island in the west, discovered during Erik's banishment.
4:53·It was an incredibly daring undertaking for all those giving up their farms on Iceland.
4:58·Leif stood beside his father during the dangerous crossing, and he also witnessed how Erik managed to persuade others to come along.
5:06·He told his people that he had discovered a green land to the west, what we now call Greenland.
5:14·It was, of course, a marketing trick to lure other settlers into joining him. Anyway, he won over so many people,
5:21·that a fleet of 25 ships set sail for Greenland.
5:28·Erik's glowing descriptions apart, at the end of the tenth century there were definitively good reasons for leaving Iceland.
5:35·Natasha takes us to an excavation in Olafsdalur, the valley of Olaf, which clearly shows what made the Vikings leave.
5:43·According to Natascha, the discovery of America can only be understood by the phenomenon of "Island hopping" from Norway via Iceland to Greenland.
5:53·The excavators are investigating a farm from the tenth century, exactly the period when Erik and Leif set out westward.
6:08·The ship-like layout of the house is still visible. Obviously, this was a considerable estate. So, what had happened?
6:18·This homestead dates from the tenth century when most of the arable land had already been occupied.
6:24·So, when Olaf came to Iceland, he had little choice but to put up with this patch of land here.
6:30·It was far from ideal for a farmer. During the past 100 years, Norsemen settling here
6:38·had exploited the island's nature to such a degree, that its resources could no longer meet the demands of everyone.
6:45·Erik knew where he wanted to go. He took his fleet and sailed along the ice-covered east coast of Greenland around Cape Farvel,
6:54·and after 1.500 storm-tossed kilometres steered them into a fjord, duly named Erik's Fjord.
7:04·In their open boats, they had fought their way west, through floating ice, murderous waves and icebergs threatening to rip open their vessels.
7:13·14 of the 25 boats made it. On-board were 300 settlers, their cattle and their household goods.
7:21·Greenland became a crucial stepping stone on the path to the New World.
7:28·The sagas relate this in colourful detail. Of the daring crossing to Greenland and of the nature of the newly discovered land.
7:37·When reaching Thule, Columbus must have been thrilled by these stories. And most of all, by the deeds of their greatest hero, Leif Eriksson.
7:47·Who, as the sagas go, had discovered another mysterious land west of Greenland.
7:53·And since he found grapes there, he called it Vinland - wine land.
8:03·In Iceland's capital Reykjavik, Natascha joins historian Gisli Sigurdsson to take a closer look
8:09·at the original texts of the Sagas. So, how factual are these heroic tales of a legendary Wine Land?
8:18·The picture that is drawn up of all these voyages, the chronology, the origins of the people and so on,
8:27·all fit the general story that the archaeology tells us. And there was no way that the people in Iceland at the time
8:35·could have this accurate historical information from anywhere but a continous oral tradition.
8:42·But that doesn't prove that the love affairs and the individuals of the stories
8:47·are all reflections of what actually happened 200 or 300 years earlier.
8:52·But something along theses general lines is very likely to have been part of reality in the settlement period.
9:01·To the historian, the sagas are more precious than a hoard of gold.
9:06·Here it is written how in the year 1000 AD Leif founded the first settlement on a land which had to wait
9:12·another 500 years to be called America.
9:26·Sigurdsson is convinced that Columbus knew of these sagas.
9:32·Yet, what conclusions might he have drawn from them? How are they related to his later voyages?
9:44·The important learning or information that he obtained
9:50·is that he could cross over open waters, sail away from the continent and continue and continue into the West
9:58·without ever risking falling off. So, the enquiring young seafarer who collected all available information
10:07·and all the maps he could lay his hands on, must have known - there is land in the West,
10:13·and it had been reached by Europeans long before him. But he also must have known about the dangers of the northern route
10:20·through the ice-ridden waters off Greenland. Natasha follows the settlers' route into Erik's Fjord.
10:30·With the help of engine power, GPS and a compass, it's considerably easier than a thousand years ago.
10:50·But back then, how did the Vikings chart their route and navigate in the vastness of the Atlantic
10:56·between Iceland, Greenland and America? The key to their navigational skill was a small wooden dial
11:03·with a needle rising in the middle. When sighting the sun, its shadow would fall on a groove
11:10·which gave the sailor the cardinal point, enabling him to keep course along a specific latitude.
11:16·This is what made the Vikings the most proficient seafarers of their time.
11:28·Brattahlid in Southern Greenland. This is where Leif Eriksson lived after he had turned 16.
11:35·And it's from here that he would soon set out on his own, on voyages to Iceland and Norway, where he took on the Christian faith.
11:48·A current excavation further inland hints at why Leif left his home once more to venture yet again to pastures new further west.
11:58·At first glance the site seems unusual. Three kilometres form the coast at the foot of a glacier.
12:09·It's only accessible via an arduous track. Why did the Vikings choose this barren place?
12:23·The excavation shows, as on Iceland, late settlers had to go where they still could find unoccupied pastures.
12:31·As a matter of fact, only a few of Greenland's coastal strips are actually green.
12:37·Four-fifths of the gigantic island's surface are covered by a solid layer of ice. And so, all fertile ground was quickly settled.
12:46·Greenland's population back then must have soon reached a critical size. As proved by an abundance of Viking finds in the area.
12:55·There are about 20,000 of them, according to chief excavator Christian Koch Madsen.
13:01·And this is the showpiece. The skull of a walrus. Only the tusks are missing.
13:16·Walrus ivory was in high demand among the medieval rulers of Europe. It was used to carve prestigious sets of chess figures or reliquaries.
13:27·Walrus tusks became a prime export commodity for the Greenlanders. When Northern Europe had been christianized,
13:33·they were even used to pay the tithes. On the other side of the fjord, on a mysterious island off Gadar,
13:42·Natasha comes across another unusual source of income for the Viking settlers.
13:49·Today, Gadar, now called Igaliku, is merely a cluster of wooden huts.
13:55·Once this was a rich settlement and even the seat of a bishop. There was a cathedral as well as the bishop's manor and huge stables.
14:12·The measurements of the foundations reveal that the walls must have been massive and solidly constructed.
14:18·Only wealthy settlers could have afforded such buildings. Written sources document that the inhabitants
14:25·were able to offer a large sum of money to Norway's King Sigurd to be granted the seat of a bishop.
14:32·But the Norwegian King demanded more. Something very select indeed.
14:39·To find out more, Natasha heads for an islet offshore.
14:47·There are strange heaps of stone. The archaeologist recognizes at once, that they are the remains of the same massive way of building
14:54·as on the mainland. But what would have been the purpose of such laboriously and elaborately erected houses
15:00·on such a tiny island? We have found a number of houses in the Igaliku area.
15:08·But even out here, there are remains of two very large massive stone buildings.
15:13·Since they stood directly opposite the mainland, they must have had a very special function.
15:22·So, why apply so much effort to transporting blocks of stone weighing up to a ton across the water to build here,
15:29·when there is ample space and material on the mainland? Was the tiny island a kind of prison - a Viking's Alcatraz?
15:37·Or were these houses intended as storage rooms for luxury goods?
15:44·Walrus ivory was an important commodity that was traded from here to many parts of Europe. But there are also hints
15:53·that there was trade in polar bears' fur and maybe even in live polar bears.
16:01·A live polar bear. That is exactly what King Sigurd had wanted. A risky proposition for the people of Gadar. But they succeeded.
16:10·The king got his polar bear, and Greenland its own bishop.
16:24·Hunting the largest land-based predator may have been profitable, but it was also highly dangerous.
16:31·Even when captured, the white giants were a deadly menace. There is a story that Leif Eriksson
16:36·went hunting for his first polar bear when he was merely 16.
16:49·Awaiting their transport to Europe, the huge beasts had to be held in massive cages.
16:55·And to keep them away from the settlements - just in case - the tiny island would have been the perfect spot.
17:02·Even if luxury items like polar bears, ivory and furs could be traded for expensive Norwegian wood,
17:08·life on Greenland remained a constant struggle. For the surplus population, there was only one way out -
17:15·expansion beyond their homeland. Leif Eriksson was of course one of those who looked west.
17:21·Yet, Natascha believes that, apart from escaping imminent pressures, there may have been other things on his mind.
17:27·He was out for fame and glory. He knew, that if he returned with precious goods from the new territories,
17:34·his fellow Norsemen would hold him in great esteem. And so, Leif made his bid and secured himself a place in history.
17:43·He set course across the Davis Strait, the shortest distance between Greenland and America, followed the coast southward until he became the first European
17:52·to set foot on American soil, probably in Newfoundland.
18:01·It was a venture into the unknown, a murderous struggle against the waves.
18:09·But Leif and 35 companions made it.
18:17·Manoeuvring his ship past towering icebergs.
18:22·Until he made landfall somewhere along the north-eastern shores of the American continent. An incredible achievement.
18:35·If Columbus - as is presumed - heard of Leif's exploits and of his tales of a land far across the Atlantic Ocean,
18:42·the 26-year-old navigator from Genoa might well have been prompted to envisage a voyage of his own steering true West.
18:51·Knowing he would make landfall somewhere.
18:58·Where exactly Leif Eriksson set foot on the new continent for the first time and where else he might have landed
19:05·is one of the great unsolved questions of Archaeology.
19:11·Remains of houses near L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland testify to the fact that he did reach America.
19:19·The layouts are the same as in Greenland or on Iceland. They are the best-documented Viking remains ever found in America.
19:28·Their excavation in the 1960s was a breakthrough in Viking research, proving the historical veracity of the Sagas.
19:38·Eleven houses have been located and excavated. Three of them massive, winterproof buildings.
19:44·Spindle whorls tell of the presence of women.
19:50·This was a permanent settlement, with a smithy erected in about 1000 AD.
19:55·Iron nails - an item unknown to the indigenous Americans - bear witness to its Viking origin.
20:04·The fabled Vinland offered what the Norsemen needed most. Wood in abundance - for their boats and their large assembly halls.
20:17·Yet, there remains one question. How much further south did the Vikings advance?
20:25·These butternuts were found on site her at L'Anse aux Meadows. And why they're so relevant and important is,
20:32·as you can probably see when you are walking around today, there is no butternuts growing in this area,
20:38·and there never has been. And also, the Norse came here looking for grapes, and there was never any grapes growing in L'Anse aux Meadows.
20:46·So, where did they come from? Butternuts and grapes only grow much further south.
20:52·Historians presume that the Vikings must have progressed as far as today's New York City.
20:59·A survey from space was launched to locate settlements further south. When evaluating these images, American archaeologists thought
21:06·that Point Rosee in Southern Newfoundland might be a site worth exploring.
21:12·Point Rosee excavation site, it's interesting because they originally
21:18·had identified what might be a farm based on satellite imagery. And so, they went in to go and investigate
21:25·and look at it in more detail. And what they were really hoping to find was evidence of a Viking-age farm.
21:32·And it looked like there could be a long-house, it looked like there could be a nice field around it,
21:38·it looked like there might be some other features. Yet, as Douglas Bolender recalls, excavating it was anything but easy.
21:47·The terrain is barely accessible, and the features which stood out so clearly in the satellite images,
21:53·defied precise locating on the ground.
21:59·However, the team around archaeologist Sarah Parcak found discolorations in the soil which may have resulted
22:05·from walls of sod, as well as materials that resembled iron clinker from the smithies of the Vikings.
22:16·One of the exciting things to come out of the work at Point Rosee, whether or not it is a Viking site,
22:22·is that the satellite imagery work does seem to be effective
22:28·We've tried it in other places, Sarah Parcak has tried it in other locations.
22:33·And, frequently, if it looks like there is something, there has been something there.
22:39·So, this is clearly a very effective technique tot try to find additional sites.
22:44·Alas, at Point Rosee the high hopes of the researchers were to be disappointed. After all finds had been analysed,
22:51·there was only one conclusion. What seemed to have been the traces of Viking houses had been caused by natural phenomena. A major disappointment.
23:04·But there are other new promising approaches of research. Natascha is on her way to Halifax to meet Kevin Smith.
23:10·He's the foremost expert on Viking archaeology in North America. And his smoking gun - is flint.
23:18·Kevin applies forensic science to examine the samples that have been found at L'Anse aux Meadows along with the butternuts.
23:28·The finds from America's only known Viking settlement to date are of inestimable value. Accordingly, they are treated with the utmost care.
23:38·I think, modern technology that we have really gives us a great opportunity. The device that we're using, portable x-ray fluorescence,
23:46·means that we can work on these objects which are part of a world heritage site without having to destroy any part of them.
23:53·In the past, 10, 20 years ago, we'd have had to grind the objects out, put them into a nuclear reactor or another sort of a thing,
23:59·and the object would be partially destroyed. In this case, we can try to solve new mysteries
24:05·and try the get data right down to the elemental level without having to destroy or damage anything of the heritage.
24:12·And that's really an important thing. Changes the game entirely. Natascha is more than eager to join in the new game.
24:20·Will it produce clues pointing to another Viking settlement on the North American continent?
24:30·Flint might provide the answer to this question, since there is no natural layer of flint in the area around L'Anse aux Meadows.
24:38·So, where does it come from? What we're trying to do here, is to find out where the Vikings travelled.
24:45·Using pieces of stone. Basically the pieces of stone they used to start fires with,
24:51·and tracing them back to the places where they came from. It's a little bit like in the old detective movies
24:58·where the detective solves the puzzle of the murder by finding a match-book. And on the match-book, it says
25:04·where the person had been before. These were the matches in the pockets of the Vikings. And if we can find out where the stones came from
25:12·that they used to make their stone tools, we know where they came from, and where they travelled out to.
25:18·Sounds simple enough. But it means that the archaeologists must find samples which match the geo-chemical fingerprints of the finds in L'Anse aux Meadows.
25:28·Given the length of the North American East Coast, it's like searching for a needle in haystack.
25:39·Finds which resemble the existing samples are checked on the spot for a possible match by using the mobile gauge.
25:48·Part of the reason we're doing this, we're trying to figure out if people went out to different places, and they had to get new - as I said - matches,
25:57·new things to strike fires. If we can find where the sources of those are, we can at least narrow the search down to the areas where those are found.
26:07·It's an immense help in surveying an area of such enormous magnitude. Did the Vikings set up colonies on the new continent
26:14·as they had done on Iceland and Greenland? The fact is, that after Leif Eriksson's discovery of America
26:20·there was a busy trade with Vinland. Ships from Greenland, Iceland and even Norway called at the coast.
26:33·But where exactly? Drones equipped with state of the art cameras and 3-D-software
26:41·are a potential means to facilitate the search.
26:47·It's a technology which allows wide areas to be scanned in a comparatively short time.
27:01·The new generation of American Viking hunters hopes that soon not just one but a swarm of drones
27:07·will set forth to look for anomalies along the coastal zones.
27:17·If their 3-D-profiles reveal conspicuous features reminiscent of, for instance, the layout of a Viking house,
27:23·archaeologists could pinpoint those sites and inspect them. Anything to narrow down the search.
27:39·Meanwhile, Kevin's geological research has paid first dividends.
27:46·There are hints that the Norsemen forayed considerably further south than previously assumed, and that they also might have moved further inland.
27:55·Kevin tells Natasha of his preliminary results.
28:01·The flint at L'Anse aux Meadows originates from Newfoundland and probably from Nova Scotia.
28:07·Kevin assumes that the Vikings even reached the greater area of Quebec and the region of New York.
28:14·Since this is where the butternuts and the grapes might have come from. Whether the Norsemen also established settlements there,
28:21·can only be answered by future excavations.
28:32·L'Anse aux Meadows was abandoned after some 50 years. The reason why is another enigma of American Viking research.
28:43·Many experts assume that the Nordic newcomers clashed with the indigenous population
28:48·they disparagingly called Skraelingers - weaklings.
28:57·It certainly had something to do with the indigenous people. Yet, we don't know exactly what happened.
29:05·However, another important reason is that the settlers did not get any support from the parent colony on Greenland.
29:12·Columbus had strong backing from the Spanish Queen, whereas the Viking settlers were on their own.
29:21·Queen Isabella of Spain did indeed finance the expeditions of Columbus and thereby laid the foundations for an immense colonial empire overseas.
29:32·The Institución Colombina in Seville holds thousands of original documents from that era.
29:40·Research these days focuses more and more on texts relating to Columbus' travels before he set out across the Atlantic.
29:50·Thanks to these documents, we are able to comprehend the thoughts,
29:55·experiences and the acts of Christopher Columbus.
30:01·Apart from documents on the voyage to Iceland in 1477, the Spanish researcher is particularly interested in a paper
30:08·in which Columbus refers to a stay in the English port of Bristol one year earlier.
30:17·Back then, Bristol was the starting point for the Iceland trade. Its harbour was filled with ships from Norway, Denmark and Britain.
30:29·In the quayside taverns sailors from many countries would meet, boast of their adventures, of daring voyages
30:35·far out into the Atlantic and to newly discovered lands. The perfect spot for Columbus and his enquiries.
30:45·There were tales of travels to a mysterious country far out in the West. Saint Brendan, the patron saint of seafarers,
30:53·was said to have crossed the Atlantic as early as the 6th century AD. In 1460, the Irish monk had even been immortalized in a book illustration.
31:04·In Bristol, Columbus may also have heard another fascinating lore.
31:10·It told of a Welsh King named Owen Gwynedd, who, when he died, left 19 sons.
31:17·One of them was Prince Madoc.
31:23·As the story goes, he took to sea to escape vicious fighting focused on the accession to his father's throne.
31:30·In today's Snowdonia National Park, near castle Dolwydellan, a previous building has been located which, archaeologists believe,
31:38·was the place where young Madoc was born and raised. Bill Jones of the Dolwydellan Historical Society
31:45·is an expert on the life of Madoc. He is convinced that the Welsh prince did indeed brave the Atlantic Ocean.
31:55·It was a tale long cherished by the sea-faring nation of Great Britain, ideally suited to bolster its claim on the American colonies.
32:06·Today, scientists believe, that it may hold some truth.
32:12·So, what was the situation like in Wales, some 750 years ago?
32:18·There was a lot of family feuding. Owen Gwynedd and his sons, they didn't get on.
32:26·As it was in this part of Wales at that time, yeah. I would describe that time as a period of political upheaval.
32:34·We had a lot of feuding going on between different family members, we had different dynasties.
32:41·Possibly a good description might be The Game of Thrones. The Joneses agree that those were wild times.
32:50·Bill took part in the excavations of the castle where Madoc was born. To him the ruins are proof that there was a King Owen,
32:57·that he had numerous sons, and that the oral tradition can be trusted.
33:09·The castle was perfectly situated to dominate the valley. So, it was a good place to be,
33:15·but also the site of a relentless Game of Thrones.
33:20·I think that, potentially, you could relate it to the modern day. Many people feel the need to escape if things are chaotic.
33:29·Therefore, yes, potentially it's just that general feeling. He was quite young. I think he was born in 1150,
33:36·and then he left in 1170. So he was, you know, in his early twenties. Therefore, yes, potentially that's the reason.
33:47·This had happened 200 years before with the Vikings. They too, had left everything behind
33:53·to find a new home beyond the horizon. Allegedly, Madoc even returned one more time in 1171
34:02·to recruit settlers for his new land across the Ocean and then set sail with ten ships.
34:11·Researchers have reconstructed his possible route. From Wales across the Irish Sea, then on across the Atlantic Ocean
34:19·heading south-west making landfall in Mobile Bay, Alabama.
34:24·There are several large rivers flowing into the bay, and on each of them Madoc and his boats could have penetrated far inland.
34:36·Time and again historians have tried to verify the legend of Madoc on American soil, with the De Soto Falls in Georgia catching their attention.
34:47·Next to them are strange caves, intriguingly called "Welsh Caves" by the locals.
34:56·The entrances, it is said, were once protected by stone walls. For good reason, because the Welsh were certainly not alone.
35:07·And the new world is new only to them.
35:16·The indigenous people had expelled the Vikings up in the North. Did the same happen down here?
35:29·Yet, is there really any substance to the legend of Madoc? At Athens State College in Alabama, historian Ronald Fritze
35:37·has followed up on the countless stories woven around the Welsh Prince.
35:46·In those tales, the arrival in Mobile Bay is a recurring theme, as are the references to strife and feuds among the clans of 12th century Wales,
35:55·which are given as the cause for Madoc's exodus. Other than in Wales, the story of Madoc
36:02·is little known in the United States. There are only a few researchers like Ronald Fritze
36:07·who seriously engage in evaluating historical and archaeological data on his alleged presence in North America.
36:15·One of the key questions in the debate is whether the voyage of Madoc is a legend or merely a myth.
36:22·Ronald Fritze explains the difference and its implications. The story of Madoc can be viewed by some people
36:31·and by other people as a myth. And if it's a legend, That would make it where there actually was a Welsh voyage,
36:41·and we're just trying to piece together the details. If it's a myth, that' a story that's actually made up
36:48·and did not occur. And there's arguments for both sides
36:54·whether it be a legend or a myth. Deep in the forests of Tennessee
37:00·there are, however, some remarkable clues in favour of the presence of Europeans.
37:06·They consist of huge blocks of stone which have been carved into shape by metal tools.
37:12·Madoc-researchers assume that they once were part of a fortress. It might have looked like this.
37:17·Placed on high ground to control the river valley. There is no archaeological evidence that the indigenous people of the area ever built in stone.
37:26·So, had this fortress been erected by people from medieval Europe?
37:34·As experts on the other side of the Atlantic see it, the building's design, materials and the size of the blocks
37:40·all fit the details of Welsh castles.
37:46·The Tennessee ruins may be a hint. But they alone are not sufficient proof of Madoc's presence
37:52·on American soil. Yet, there's a most unexpected clue. And it concerns an alleged encounter between the Welsh
38:00·and the native Americans.
38:05·What if the Welsh warriors had met an Indian tribe which back then roamed the area between the Tennessee and Ohio Rivers?
38:14·What if this encounter had been peaceful, in contrast to that of the Vikings and the tribes of the North?
38:22·Ronald Fritze can call up a witness, albeit an indirect one.
38:28·George Catlin, the painter, when he visited them in the early 1830s, he basically observed
38:36·what he thought were Indians with, like, blue eyes or bloodish coloured hair and that sort of thing.
38:43·Catlin's observations are confirmed by another explorer, the German Maximilian Prince zu Wied,
38:50·who travelled the land of the Mandan at about the same time.
38:57·He, too, noticed that some of the Indians were particularly light skinned under their war paint.
39:02·And so, another legend was born. That of Prince Madoc and the White Indians.
39:09·Did the Welsh warriors merge with the Mandan tribe? And did the Mandan in turn pick up some of their vocabulary?
39:20·A Welsh missionary who was active in the area was allegedly able to communicate with them rather well.
39:30·And what's more, their huts are said to have resembled those of medieval Welsh villages.
39:38·And some had strikingly blue eyes.
39:47·George Catlin was one of the first to state that there were Welsh words embedded in the Mandan language.
39:53·However, such encounters were prone to all sorts of misunderstandings.
40:12·And now, it's impossible to follow up on Catlin's observations. At the end of the 19th century, the Mandan had been expelled
40:20·from their land and forced into reservations where they were almost totally wiped out by epidemics.
40:30·Yet, there is some more evidence of a link between the Welsh and the Mandan. As this old sketch shows, their boats have nothing in common
40:38·with the typical canoes of other indigenous tribes. They closely resemble the Coracles, simple contraptions
40:45·made of tarred animal skin and elastic lumber struts, which are still used by Welsh fishermen today.
40:53·It's hard not to come to the conclusion that the Mandan boats owed their design to Welsh immigrants.
41:04·The same goes for another find from the Mandan's territory. Roman coins. In Madoc's days, they were still used as a currency throughout medieval Europe.
41:15·Another strange tale concerns a grave on the banks of the Ohio River, supposedly dating from 1186.
41:23·In 1799, a party of locals is said to have exhumed six skeletons
41:28·covered by breastplates displaying a Welsh coat of arms. Alas, if they ever actually existed, the breast plates have long since vanished.
41:37·So, there's a lot of evidence, but it's mostly circumstantial.
41:42·Over in Wales, however, they are convinced that the legend of Prince Madoc having arrived in America,
41:48·300 years before Columbus, is based on facts. I don't think there is any archaeological evidence.
41:55·However, there is a lot of mention of him in literature.
42:02·So, potentially, yes, there is potentially some truth behind it.
42:13·In Northern Wales, where Madoc once lived and from where he allegedly set sail, they firmly believe in a hero,
42:21·whom history has almost and unjustly forgotten.
42:31·Well, they said that Christopher Columbus was the first to have discovered America. But I think that Prince Madoc did that about 300 years before.
42:41·Back to Seville. The city is deeply marked by its Moorish past, and Columbus would have encountered it wherever he turned.
42:49·Especially in its libraries which still hold hundreds of Arabic documents.
42:55·Some of them tell of an expedition that set out westward from Africa.
43:00·As an eager collector of any nautical data, Columbus would not have missed these reports.
43:10·His travels, be it up north or along the African coast, helped him to develop an ever more complete image of the world.
43:18·And on these journeys, he met many people who provided him with new information.
43:26·In 1483, Columbus signs up on a Portuguese trading ship. Its destination suits him perfectly - the Arabic world of West Africa.
43:36·His enthusiasm comes across in his log. He draws maps, makes precise notes of wind conditions and currents.
43:43·He is now 32 years old and has spent 18 of them on the high seas, becoming a master mariner.
43:49·After the return from his African voyage, he begins to put together plans for a westward venture
43:54·that, he believes, will take him to India.
44:01·In Africa, he cannot but have heard more of the legendary westward expedition of Abubakari the Second, the King he had already read about
44:09·in the Arabian chronicles back in Seville.
44:17·In the markets of West Africa, storytellers still animatedly recount the feats of the King
44:22·who, according to them, in 1310, boldly set sail for America.
44:40·A tale brimming with pride about past exploits.
44:50·Abubakari, it says, took to sea with a gigantic fleet, in search of the shores beyond the great sea of al Muhit, the Atlantic Ocean.
45:03·It may sound fantastic, but the story has a good number of supporters here in Africa.
45:09·The Empire of Mali back then encompassed parts of today's Niger, Mali, Guinea and Burkina Faso.
45:16·Its rulers viewed themselves as the successors of the Egyptian Pharaohs.
45:29·Ancient Mali was an African superpower. The Trans-Sahara trade to Timbuktu as well as huge deposits of gold
45:37·made the rulers of Mali immensely rich.
45:43·Abubakari's successor, King Musa, has left a report on the voyage of his predecessor which is cited in Arabic documents.
45:51·To Momadou Diallo from Gaston Berger University in Senegal these sources are highly reliable since they emanated
45:58·at almost the same time as the events they describe. In the 14th century,
46:06·this African King undertook an expedition to America. It was an undertaking of pharaoh-like dimensions.
46:19·The estuary of the Senegal River provides a huge natural harbour.
46:25·It's from here that Abubakari is said to have set sail with a fleet of 2,000 ships. Surely an exaggeration,
46:32·yet he definitely had the means to do so.
46:38·His successor, King Musa, probably was the richest man of his times, if not of all time.
46:44·An extrapolation of his wealth runs up to 400 billion Dollars.
46:50·On his pilgrimage to Mecca he allegedly took along a retinue of 60,000 and 12 tons of gold, carried by 80 camels.
47:01·During a stay in Cairo he mentioned Abubakari's fantastic voyage to the Governor.
47:07·This conversation was duly chronicled by an Arab scribe.
47:13·Momadou Diallo has thoroughly analysed the content of this source.
47:20·Even today, the Senegal Estuary is filled with hundreds of boats, traditional pirogues used by the African fishermen
47:28·to venture far out onto the open sea. Western experts, however, are doubtful that Africans, 700 years ago,
47:35·had the know-how to cross the Atlantic Ocean. I am convinced that African ships
47:42·back then had the same kind of rigging as their European counterparts when they began navigating the high seas.
47:54·Western researchers doubt that a fleet once sailed from Saint Louis across al Muhit to America.
48:00·To their African colleagues this is a clear case of Eurocentric arrogance.
48:10·Arabic knowledge of geography, navigation, astronomy and the prevailing winds and currents would have provided a sound basis
48:17·for a crossing from West Africa to South America. At least for a one-way voyage.
48:25·That's why several experts believe Abubakari could have made it there. But not back. His whereabouts remain a mystery.
48:38·However, did some of his boats reach the American continent after all?
48:43·Columbus states in his logs, that he had heard of black natives and had seen cotton cloths like those he had come across in Guinea.
48:51·And metal spear heads, which when he had them analysed in Spain, fitted exactly the composition of those in West Africa.
49:03·Voyages like that of Abubakari had two goals.
49:10·One was discovery, to find another continent beyond the great sea.
49:15·The second was conquest. Between the 13th and 16th centuries, during the African Middle Ages,
49:22·there were many expeditions sent out to conquer new land.
49:27·So, were there Arabic-African conquistadors in America? Maybe, since many seafarers following in Columbus' wake
49:35·mentioned black-skinned people among the indigenous populations.
49:42·One thing is certain. Columbus was not the first to reach America.
49:48·There were others before him whose tracks he followed.
49:56·The ruler of Mali might have reached South America by making use of the trade winds. It's possible, but there's no proof.
50:07·Welsh Prince Madoc could have reached the Gulf of Mexico. There are several written hints to that end
50:13·as well as some evidence on the spot.
50:19·That Leif Erikson was the first European to set foot on American soil 500 years before Columbus
50:25·is an established fact. Latest research has even shown that the Vikings intended to establish
50:33·a far-flung net of colonies, or had at least achieved much in this direction.
50:44·Christopher Columbus knew that others had preceded him, having read or heard about their voyages.
50:50·He did not venture into the unknown.
50:56·He knew there was a landmass in the West. And that it must be of immense size if it could be reached from Africa
51:04·as well as from the British Isles and from the far North. Nevertheless, when he brought home the news of a new world,
51:12·Columbus heralded a turning point in the history of mankind.
51:18·An age of exploration, conquest and exploitation.
51:26·That is what has secured him a place in history.

2 posted on 07/17/2023 5:18:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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3 posted on 07/17/2023 5:19:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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4 posted on 07/17/2023 5:21:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I remember reading a long time ago that one author termed the ‘Land Bridge’ hypothesis of people migrating across the Bering Strait as bunk.

There had to be multiple migrations from different directions across a few hundred years to account for the numbers of people the Spanish encountered when they first arrived....................


5 posted on 07/17/2023 5:25:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

It’s pretty clear at this point that migration was continual (not continuous) and in different directions over many thousands of years, just as it has been throughout the rest of the Earth.


6 posted on 07/17/2023 5:29:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Red Badger
There had to be multiple migrations from different directions across a few hundred years to account for the numbers of people the Spanish encountered when they first arrived....................

Not really. With abundant resources, people multiply rapidly.

A small population (a couple dozen) can multiply to fill up the two continents in about a thousand years.

North and South America were filled with easily killed big game, which became extinct about the same time humans colonized the continents.

With few diseases, the humans had a golden age of hunting and producing more humans, until the continents filled enough for continual tribal warfare to become the norm.

Cortez found plenty of bronze/copper axes during the invasion of Mexico.

7 posted on 07/17/2023 5:54:29 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Red Badger
There had to be multiple migrations from different directions across a few hundred years to account for the numbers of people the Spanish encountered when they first arrived....................

Not really. With abundant resources, people multiply rapidly.

A small population (a couple dozen) can multiply to fill up the two continents in about a thousand years.

North and South America were filled with easily killed big game, which became extinct about the same time humans colonized the continents.

With few diseases, the humans had a golden age of hunting and producing more humans, until the continents filled enough for continual tribal warfare to become the norm.

Cortez found plenty of bronze/copper axes during the invasion of Mexico.

8 posted on 07/17/2023 5:55:03 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: El Cid

Self ping


9 posted on 07/17/2023 6:08:26 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Carthaginians had ocean going ships that carried hundred of people that made settlements on the Gold Coast of Africa. After Carthage fell to the Romans, for hundreds of years the Roman emperors personally scoured the city searching for the hundreds of tons of gold that the Carthaginians were known to have as they paid tribute to Rome every year in tons of gold. I bet a Rio that gold is in Brazil.


10 posted on 07/17/2023 6:13:51 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Don't shoot until you see the whites of their lies)
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To: bunkerhill7

At the naval battle east of Carthage, some ships were known by the Romans to have fled west, escaping from Carthage with the Carthaginian Elders and others on board.


11 posted on 07/17/2023 6:16:11 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Don't shoot until you see the whites of their lies)
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To: SunkenCiv

This is very interesting, SC. I’ve long wondered what happened to the Carthaginians. Some of course became Roman slaves, a fate worse than death. Some certainly must have escaped the Romans.


12 posted on 07/17/2023 6:21:46 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Go to see Sound of Freedom. Encourage everyone you know to see it.)
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To: SunkenCiv

There’s two main groups that support this theory: serious quacks and serious archaeologists. The verdict is still out, but the archaeologists continue to uncover evidence supporting multiple points of contact between peoples in the Americas with both Northern and Mediterranean Europe, AND Asia/Polynesia.

50 years ago, my anthropology professors thought Thor Heyerdahl was a bit of a showman who overstated his cases,
but that his work DID show what was possible. They openly discussed solid archaeological findings that supported contact. I was in California then, and these professors were on the cutting edge of work showing contact along the West Coast of North and South American with Asia/Polynesia. The body of evidence from language, blood types, pottery shards, architecture and other evidence of contact continues to grow.

My one caveat would be that most of these researchers believe in the contact and search for evidence that supports it. Not necessarily unusual or bad, but not a perfect way to do science.

Sorry for the long post. Thanks for your work, SunkenCiv.


13 posted on 07/17/2023 6:54:37 AM PDT by oldplayer
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To: oldplayer; Savage Beast; bunkerhill7

Thanks all.


14 posted on 07/17/2023 7:12:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: oldplayer

My one caveat would be that most of these researchers believe in the contact and search for evidence that supports it. Not necessarily unusual or bad, but not a perfect way to do science.
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Somewhat OT but I suspect this is how most science actually works in real life — i.e. that most scientists are not dispassionate Platonic speculators but rather are passionate advocates for their theories which they believe to be true prior to having all the evidence in hand. There’s a philosopher named Michael Polanyi who developed a theory of science that sees the scientific method as a flawed ideal and holds that promoting the notion of the dispassionate scientist over the reality of scientific passion actually threatens science by making it susceptible to politicization. He’s a contrarian for sure but is also a serious guy with a distinguished scientific background who has some illuminating, or at least interesting, angles on things. Just tacking on a little side note here FWIW...


15 posted on 07/17/2023 7:15:30 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: SunkenCiv
Al Stewart - Hanno the Navigator


16 posted on 07/17/2023 7:29:41 AM PDT by BlueLancer (One for all ... All for one ... Every man for himself) (Moe, Larry, and Curley)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for posting this.

Wonder if some of these wanders ended up what is now North America, and were the DNA basis of the so called civilized, native American tribes?


17 posted on 07/17/2023 7:40:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We have number of experts, stating B$ as fact, & they have no idea nor reality amre solutions!!)
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To: BlueLancer

Ooh, thanks!

https://freerepublic.com/tag/periplusofhanno/index?tab=articles


18 posted on 07/17/2023 12:43:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Slaves revolting and securing ship and provisions to sail to SA??? Not likely.

What could have happened is some ships returning to Carthage find the city destroyed and most inhabitants carried off to slavery. Those ships could have turned their prows Westward in hopes of escaping the Roman net that was turning the Med into a Roman lake.

Occam’s Razor makes this the simplest and most likely answer for any Carthagenian presence in SA.


19 posted on 07/17/2023 12:43:44 PM PDT by wildbill (The older I get, the less the term 'life in prison" scares me)
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To: Grampa Dave

My pleasure.

There’s a part of the video about the Kuelap remains having had DNA done.


20 posted on 07/17/2023 12:44:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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