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Mammoth-killing space blast 'off the hook'
BBC ^ | August 31, 2010 | Jonathan Amos

Posted on 08/31/2010 7:48:40 AM PDT by decimon

The theory that the great beasts living in North America 13,000 years ago were killed off by a space impact can now be discounted, a new study claims.

Mammoths, giant bears, big cats and the like disappeared rapidly from the fossil record, and a comet or asteroid strike was seen as a possible culprit.

But tiny diamonds said to have been created in the collision have been misinterpreted, a US-UK team says.

Without these diamonds, the theory falls, the group tells PNAS journal.

"This was really the last pillar for this theory and I think it's time now everyone moved on," said co-author Professor Andrew Scott, from Royal Holloway, University of London, UK, told BBC News.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs

1 posted on 08/31/2010 7:48:44 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Perpetually penultimate mammoth ping.


2 posted on 08/31/2010 7:50:27 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Coyotes.

Coyotes killed ‘em.


3 posted on 08/31/2010 7:50:54 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 584 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: decimon

haaahaha. another instance of ‘self correcting’ science.....whatever guys, whatevAHHHHHHHH!!!


4 posted on 08/31/2010 7:51:39 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: decimon

They really DON’T know. For a while, some theory is in vogue and everybody swears it’s the truth. Then a piece of bone is discovered and the theory is proven to be untrue. The new theory becomes the established dogma. That is, until a piece of rock is found where it shouldn’t be, and then it begins all over again.


5 posted on 08/31/2010 7:58:34 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: decimon

I suspect the supply and depth of dihydrogen oxide exceeded many of these creatures ability to absorb and excrete it as measured by rate verses time...

;)


6 posted on 08/31/2010 8:08:33 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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I BLAME BUSH !!!

7 posted on 08/31/2010 8:10:43 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: decimon
The micro-diamond thesis is just one of the things to have been debated, but much more important are the gold deposits ~ by the time of the proposed impact the great ice was totally withdrawn from Indiana.

The comet hit in an area of Canada with extensive gold deposits ~ they were splashed up into the air and came down all over the Ohio Valley.

The only sites not washed out by continuing heavy flooding following the Younger Dryas were the tops of hills throughout the region ~ virtually ALL of the gold in Indiana was found on TOP of hills in Monroe, Brown and Johnson counties.

Usually gold is found inside glacial deposits, not on top of them!

These deposits were sufficiently large that they were known to the Indians throughout what is now the American South East.

As DeSoto advanced North whenever he asked the Indians he met where the gold was they pointed pretty much to the same site ~ Southern Indiana. Due to seasonal flooding he had to follow the high ground along the Wabash (see Terre Haute), but as soon as possible he sent an expedition to the SE toward an area where gold was found later. His people came back with a wagon load of iron pyrite and native copper ~ they completely missed the gold.

8 posted on 08/31/2010 8:10:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: decimon

The flood killed them, the decaying matter created the massive coal beds and oil on the planet.


9 posted on 08/31/2010 8:12:11 AM PDT by Scythian
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The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West, and
Simon Warwick-Smith


10 posted on 08/31/2010 2:49:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; BBell; ...
Thanks decimon, a two-list ping. BTW, this "move on" remark by one of the alleged scientists shows what an idiotic claim is being made against the mass extinction scenario -- and that it is rooted in the AGW / humans-evil political movement that passes itself off as science.
 
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11 posted on 08/31/2010 2:49:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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Thanks decimon.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.
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12 posted on 08/31/2010 2:49:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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13 posted on 08/31/2010 4:34:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: decimon
is "off the hook" a technical term?

what the hell does that even mean??
14 posted on 08/31/2010 7:24:55 PM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: SunkenCiv

The National Academy of Sciences will accept anything I suppose, especially if it attempts to refute evidence of a catastrophic event in historical times. The author doesn’t seem to grasp the magnitude of the event either, alluding to the notion that it was only North American extinctions. SHEESH!!!


15 posted on 08/31/2010 9:25:45 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: decimon

I suspect all those species became neighborhood animals in areas where the HOAs wouldn’t allow feeding.


16 posted on 09/01/2010 4:30:25 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv
"The Daulton et al claim that we have misidentified diamonds is false and misleading," he said. And geoscience consultant Allen West added that Daulton and colleagues had not followed the same protocols and therefore it was no surprise they had came up with a blank. "They looked at charcoal but we never mentioned that we ever found diamonds in the charcoal," he told BBC News.

Doesn't look like this debate is at all settled.

17 posted on 09/01/2010 1:59:03 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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/bingo

This is the same kind of slingin-it BS that went on regarding the K-T impact extinction scenario. I’ve begun reading a remainder copy of “Gorgon”, which is about the P-T mass extinction. Its author is the coauthor of some books I don’t much care for, and this one appears to end stupidly, but it was nice to read the reminder that ALL the so-called controversies and questions and counterclaims against the K-T impact model were buried by the scientific research by the author and many others like him.

There are still some already-discredited (some of which were born discredited) objections to the K-T impact model that perk back up. The one thing the authors of the mammoth mass extinction book have against them is, the event is very recent, well within the time of modern humans, and for that matter, is the same event which ended the Clovis culture.

IMHO, they do an outstanding job with their scientific stuff, other than perhaps the nature of the impact itself (I disagree with them a little, not that anyone listens to me), and do a pretty good job integrating it with surviving folklore of various American tribes.


18 posted on 09/01/2010 5:22:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Thanks FGS. The reproducibility argument in support of the scientific method is more of a talking point in cases like this.


19 posted on 09/01/2010 6:25:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: decimon

This is a forum comment from Dennis Cox, US Army blast damage photo recon interpreter, who is working closely with Richard Firestone in identifying global cometary impact sites from high res satellite photos. His findings deliver important and compelling evidence for a Shoemaker-Levy 9 type impact from the Taurid meteor stream that wiped out North American megafauna. This was an impact “shower” lasting perhaps an hour and completely resurfacing the Earth from Central Mexico to Northern Arizona. More on his contribution at: http://sites.google.com/site/dragonstormproject/Home


Some brief reasons why the Daulton et al paper is inept:

1. They did not collect from the YDB layer at the Arlington site that was used in the two Kennett et al papers, but from layers that contained “carbonaceous particles”, mostly charcoal – there are no diamonds in charcoal and it is not clear that they even sampled the YDB.

2. They did not collect or at least process the YDB sediment at Murray Springs, which contains most of the nanodiamonds in the YDB as loose nanodiamonds – probably too much work because the work is labor intensive – need to separate kilos of material. The diamonds average about 50 to 100 ppb and you need a lot of diamonds, processed by the correct separation protocol.

3. Yes, we saw graphene, graphane and chaoite, but these are not diamonds.

4. They analyzed microcharcoal and glassy carbon for diamonds and found none, neither did we! These “carbon particles” were made outside the constrains for diamond production and survival.

5. Two reviewers for the Kennett papers are world class shock and diamond experts – they had no problem.

6. One independent stratigrapher who read the Daulton paper was astonished at the “complete ineptness of field protocol and sample characterization”. Of course, you and others can judge for yourselves.

7. The Greenland paper will appear in September and there are sufficient diamond data in this paper (STEM, HRTEM, RAMAN, EELS, etc.) to prove once and for all that diamonds do, indeed, occur in the YDB.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2268163/36697975-discovery-of-nanodiamond-rich-layer-in-the-greenland-ice-sheet.pdf


20 posted on 09/02/2010 8:42:09 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui (consciousness is a heads up display)
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