Skip to comments.On Crete, New Evidence of Very Ancient Mariners
Posted on 02/17/2010 7:15:26 AM PST by PalterEdited on 02/17/2010 7:17:06 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Early humans, possibly even prehuman ancestors, appear to have been going to sea much longer than anyone had ever suspected.
That is the startling implication of discoveries made the last two summers on the Greek island of Crete. Stone tools found there, archaeologists say, are at least 130,000 years old, which is considered strong evidence for the earliest known seafaring in the Mediterranean and cause for rethinking the maritime capabilities of prehuman cultures.
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Older, again, ping.
I wonder how the young earth types are gonna take this?????
Water, water, everywhere,
Nor any drop drop to drink.
I doubt it
Well, sounds like evolutionists should have a problem with this. How would humans of 40,000 years ago be less evolved than “Pre-human” ancestors of 130,000 years ago?
Same as any other evidence that doesn't meet their preconceived notion....
Look at #6........
Not a river in Egypt...
So that “pre-human” remark in the article was balderdash? Why am I not surprised?
What did the mediterranean basin look like 130,000 years ago? Was Gibraltar closed off?
It’s time to break out my copy of “The Rime of the Ancient Mariner” by Samuel Taylor Coleridge.
Modern man is around 50,000 years old. All of our technical achievements are built on previous generations. The pre-humans of 130,000 years ago were building on the achievements of their previous generations. I can understand how pre-humans would be more technologically advanced than humans were 40,000 years ago. The pace of technological advancement was horribly slow, especially in the first 10,000 years of modern man.
Technology started over 2 million years ago with the stone shapers. Over 500,000 years ago, pre-humans in china were using fire for light, warmth, protection and cooking.
No need to confuse evolution and technological advancement.
It wasn’t until 20,000 years ago that modern man created the bow and arrow. That’s 30,000 years to create something that a 3 year old can easily grasp today.
“Was Gibraltar closed off?”
Yes, they were painting it.
“So that pre-human remark in the article was balderdash? Why am I not surprised?”
NYT. Need we say more?
Also might be a good idea to see if this ‘find’ is reported on sites dedicated to that sort of stuff.
also in the opening paragraph the peoples are reffered to as “possibily even prehuman” - you will note that the next references drop the “possibily even” and go directly to “prehuman”, as if somehow that has been established as fact in a few paragraphs. More shoddy NYT writing - but the intent is for you to come away with the wrong info.
WHAT IS THAT THING?
a surface craft, I gather?
Prop for a movie?
They are trying to give the impression something besides a human was building boats.
It is thought that boating started 40,000 years ago. Modern man is only 50,000 years old.
The article is about stone artifacts on Crete. Stone shaping started about 2 million years ago.
If the stone artifacts on Crete are 130,000 years old, then they were made by pre-humans. If they are on Crete, then they probably used some type of boat to get there.
If pre-humans had boats, then it’s probable that early humans had boats as well. However, the entire article has nothing to do with humans, so the opening paragraph shouldn’t have said anything about humans. This is anecdotal evidence that pre-humans had boats and means squat for humans.
Homo sapiens sapiens in Europe and the Middle East is only 40,000 ya, but Homo sapiens sapiens is also found in SA dating to 150,000 ya - MDA trace goes back 200,000 ya.
Genetic records of original Homo sapiens sapiens mostly destroyed after MT Toba supervolcano eruption in 74,000 BC.
None of this is to be confused with Homo Erectus or Ergaster. HSS was concurrent with these other homo variations.
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Where did you get that figure from? Humans are much older than 40,000 years.
According to Asimov’s Chronology of the World, modern man has existed for 40 to 50 thousand years. He used the phrase “same hardware, different software.”
Asimov’s book is amazing reading for the ancient times. In modern times, he reveals his socialist leanings and it colors his history. It’s really weird. The first half of his book, his commentary rings true, but the second half is distasteful because he put’s on his socialist glasses and interprets history with a different philosophy.
His older ancient history books are all great. I wonder when, where, and why his analysis of history flips...
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