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Woolly mammoth extinction 'not linked to humans'
BBC ^ | August 17, 2010 | Pallab Ghosh

Posted on 08/18/2010 11:32:29 AM PDT by decimon

Woolly mammoths died out because of dwindling grasslands - rather than being hunted to extinction by humans, according to a Durham University study.

After the coldest phase of the last ice age 21,000 years ago, the research revealed, there was a dramatic decline in pasture on which the mammoths fed.

The woolly mammoth was once commonplace across many parts of Europe.

It retreated to northern Siberia about 14,000 years ago, where it finally died out approximately 4,000 years ago.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; mammoth; mammoths; mastodon; mastodons; siberia
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To: Ramius
I’ve got a beautiful Benchmade Gold-class knife with a woolly mammoth ivory handle.

It's stag horn, Ram. ;-)

41 posted on 08/18/2010 5:10:18 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

heh... Nope, not mine. It’s mammoth ivory, and a particularly nice, creamy white example. Lots of mammoth ivory is darker, and commonly filled with tiny cracks. The flawless white stuff is harder to find.

but it’s out there.


42 posted on 08/18/2010 5:25:44 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: allmendream
Now I am not saying that such evidence CONCLUSIVELY shows anything! But the extinction of much of the mega-fauna coinciding so clearly with human habitation seems to paint a compelling picture.

From the looks of things Clovis people chased the North American megafauna all the way to the North Slope of Alaska where miles of bones are stuck in the muck. Maybe worse, they apparently formed a fire line over much of Siberia and drove the megafauna all the way into the Arctic Ocean where there are complete islands made of nothing but carcasses. Fact is they must have followed them into the ocean themselves because Clovis culture disappeared about the same time. Mass suicide???

43 posted on 08/18/2010 5:56:38 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West, and
Simon Warwick-Smith


44 posted on 08/18/2010 8:52:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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45 posted on 08/18/2010 8:52:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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46 posted on 08/18/2010 8:57:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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47 posted on 08/18/2010 9:00:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: allmendream
As is well known, The Native Americans who lived here when the DWM showed up, lived in perfect peace and blissful harmony, in perfect cooperative brotherhood, and were at one with Mother Earth.

They were excellent executive time managers, too. They somehow managed to fit in this idyllic outlook with a busy schedule of bashing each other's brains, kidnapping, massacres, and other quaint and colorful war rituals.

South of the now non-existent border, other Native Americans were working on advanced open heart surgical techniques, which they doubtless would have mastered had their research not been stopped by the arrival of gold-crazy Spaniards and evil Christian Missionaries.

48 posted on 08/18/2010 9:36:10 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Republican Party was founded to Save the Union. Can it now Save the Republic?)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Come now, we won because we had raised bashing each other’s brains, kidnapping, massacres and other quaint and colorful war rituals to an ART FORM, seldom matched in ferocity and cunning, and did it on a larger scale.

But I never understood this “one with nature” Iron eyes Cody the crying Sicilian Indian crap either.

History is what it was. As Teddy Roosevelt said ‘it was ridiculous to think that North America could remain the last great preserve of nomadic and horticultural society’.

They were going to be supplanted by a more productive agricultural society, as has been the history of mankind from the dawn of agriculture - and they were damn lucky it was by us. Because we are so damn good at killing that we had the power and inclination to have that most blessed of human qualities, mercy.

In the light of history we can also have understanding. Of both peoples, both on a collision course that would shape the world we live in today.

But no need to get all propaganda good guy bad buy with it. It was what it was.

49 posted on 08/18/2010 9:52:02 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Bush did it.


50 posted on 08/18/2010 9:56:22 PM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: decimon

I’ve said this over and over.

The casualties of trying to take down a mammoth would have been so large, it simply would not have been worth it.

The American Indians would not have been able to even make so much as a dent in the bison population without firearms.

You telling me half a dozen dudes with loincloths and sandals and spears are gonna take down a PO’d 5 ton male mammoth?
Get real!!


51 posted on 08/18/2010 10:12:21 PM PDT by djf (They ain't "immigrants". They're "CRIMMIGRANTS"!!!!)
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv

Isn’t it a weird coincidence that the mammoths disappeared at PRECISELY the same time that Eric Von Daniken posits that aliens from outer space last visited the earth?

And isn’t it a coincidence that Mankind needed these wooly mammoths out of its way in orcer to take over the Earth as planned by this same Master Race of unknown aliens?

And isn’t it a very convenient coincidence that the Nazca lines (which everyone knows are the outlines of spaceport landing strips seen only from miles into space) would be necessary for spaceships to land as space traveling Noah’s Arks for transporting wooly mammoths off the Earth?

And isnt it a coincidence that scientists are about to CLONE the wooly mammoth to bring their race back to Earth in a desperate cry for the return of our Gods from outer Space to RETURN?

I have been noting the prominence of wooly mammoth stories on this forum for several years now. Isn’t it strange that nowhere else on the internet do you see post after post of stories about wooly mammoths.

Is it just coincidence that the ruler of this forum has taken the name “Sunken Civ”, a hidden clue that he is from Atlantis? Or that his job is to produce these wooly mammoth stories in a forum titled GODS,GLYPHS and GRAVES? He’s one of THEN I tell you!

Can’t anyone else see the connections and put this all together> These aren’t coincidences but proof that we are about to be visited by the Gods once more in the END DAYS.

Coincidences???? I think not.


52 posted on 08/18/2010 10:27:47 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: SunkenCiv

What a neat list. I won’t get anything done today.


53 posted on 08/19/2010 4:33:23 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: allmendream

But that’s precisely my point!

Why is it specualted that specific Mega Fauna went extinct because of human hunting, but the same did not occur in Africa or Asia at the same time with a greater - perhaps more established human population.

It doesn’t make sense.

As far as a flensing tool - yes, I imagine that a few of the tools broke-off in the hide and bones of the animal.

Finding a handful of spear-points in or near a few dozen carcases is not evidence of mass eradication at the hands of human hunters.

Just silly.


54 posted on 08/19/2010 6:54:37 AM PDT by hkusp40
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To: hkusp40
Your point misses my point.

Animals unexposed to humans, the most dominant apex predator in history, do not fear them. Their behavior, as we have seen in historic evidence, doesn't have time to adapt to the new threat before they are wiped out.

I did not say that a few spear points in a few mammoth carcasses was conclusive evidence of their mass eradication at the hands of human hunters.

I said that the mass disappearance of mega-fauna that seems to coincide with the introduction of human populations in Australia, New Guinea, Madagascar, and America (and elsewhere) seems to indicate that human arrival accompanies mass extinction of mega-fauna.

It might all just be coincidence.

In case....after case.... land mass..... after land mass.

Yep, it might just be a coincidence.

55 posted on 08/19/2010 7:13:33 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

With the exception of Asia and Africa.


56 posted on 08/19/2010 7:37:59 AM PDT by hkusp40
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To: hkusp40

Yes, where we were not an invasive species. We ‘grew up’ there. The local animals were ‘hip to our jive’, and when they saw humans approaching, they moved away.

The last Dodo did not fear the human who approached it, club in hand. This we know.


57 posted on 08/19/2010 7:41:18 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

I don’t buy it.


58 posted on 08/19/2010 8:15:39 AM PDT by hkusp40
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To: allmendream
"The local animals were ‘hip to our jive’, and when they saw humans approaching, they moved away."

So what you're saying is that humans wiped out all the dim wits? Giant bison couldn't figure out the game, but regular bison could? Cave bears didn't get it, but grizzlies did?

Correlation is not causation.

59 posted on 08/19/2010 9:58:22 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: decimon

So this was not Bush’s fault after all?

Gunner


60 posted on 08/19/2010 10:42:07 AM PDT by weps4ret (Where is John Galt?)
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