I'm so stupid, I signed up and got the Zot.

[hk409]

THIS SITE IS ZOT!

GIMME A BRAKE ALREADY! YOU GUYS MUST BE THE BIGEST MORONS ON THE WORLD! THE BIGEST MORONS NEXT TO THAT SOFTWARE COMPANY I USED TO VISIT SIX YEARS AGO! OY YOY! YOY! YOY! YOY! YOY! YOY! YOY! YOY! EACH TIME I TRYED TO POST SOMETHING NO MATTER HOW SMART! NO MATTER HOW CONSERVATIVE! EVEN IF I BEND OVER BACK AND DO BACK FLIPS AND THEN BEND OVER FOR THAT DUMB LIBERAL WE UNFORTUNATELY ELECTED! EVEN IF SPELL CHECKER ARE WORKING I STILL GET THEN KICKED OFF!! THEN ZOTTED!! WHY? IS IT JUST BECAUSE I WRITE SO BRILLIANT? BOB RUNS THINGS HERE!? OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. MAEYBE PEEPLE LIKE JJFATE AND NOAH HORSEFLY IS ASKING FOR IT BUT WHAT ABOUT ME!

[Monkey Face]

Jeez! I lie down for a couple of hours and the fit hits the shan!

Any more news on KP? What a revoltin' development this is!!

[Dead Corpse]

Wasn't a mod. I banned him. Referring to Terri as an "animate but mindless bag of meat" is more than I can tolerate.

14,560 posted on 03/09/2005 3:41:03 PM CST by Jim Robinson

Looks like KP got the Odin Zot. May not be "fair" or what anyone else would consider "justice", but we are after all on private property here.

For the record, my RN mother has referred to PVS victims this way. She's been an RN for 20+ years.

[Darksheare]

Okers.
See you when you get back.

[Jim Robinson]

I pray I never end up in a medical unit where the staff refers to people as useless bags of meat and or advocate starving people to death. My own wife laid in a coma for a couple weeks and they didn't know if she'd live or die or end up in a permanent brain dead state. Thank God no one pulled her plug! I guarantee you that she is not a useless bag of meat! And I pray to God that they are not allowed to starve Terri to death either. If her husband doesn't want her, let her parents care for her. Love, prayer and therapy can accomplish miracles.

[Darksheare]

Post 14,560 above.
Doesn't appear he'll be able to return.

[Monkey Face]

Yep. His (JimRob's)bat, his ball and his playground, so he can make the rules the way he wants.

"I may disagree with what he says, but I'll defend to the death his right to say it." I heard that somewhere a long time ago.

[Monkey Face]

Welp. It just makes me glad I waited three years before I posted...no telling what trouble I could get into!

[Conspiracy Guy]

Have fun.

[Monkey Face]

Starving to death is not pretty to watch, and I'm glad you didn't have to make any decisions about your wife that you would have regretted.

You're right: There still are miracles. All we have to do is believe they can happen.

[.38sw]

She was a total sweetie. I sure miss her.

Thank you everyone, for your expressions of sympathy.

[Darksheare]

Yeah.
Sometimes I wish I'd waited to sign up.

[Hi Heels]

I agree with you 100%. My daughter was pronounced brain dead at birth with the cord wrapped around her neck twice in a true knot. They said she wouldn't last the night. She was diagnosed with CP, Res. Failure, muscular disorders, moderate retardation, Prader Willie, blah blah blah. They said she'd never come off the respirator. She lived to be 3 1/2 years old. I would have been Italian mother livid (there's special awards for this category) had I heard anyone refering to my daughter as anything derogatory, and pulling the plug was offered a couple of times causing me to lose my temper with the staff.

I also agree that Terri's parents should have final say. They are her parents.

In the case of KP, though, I would say that I have, many times, outside of the patient's hearing, heard many nurses say these things. It's common slang within the profession. "The poor mother's a wreck. But after that last hemmorage, he's just a carrot now. You should see the MRI. Total bag of meat." It's the way some of them talk. I don't think it's necessarily meant to be vicious. KP appeared to be using it rhetorically and may have been egged on to a bad level by other posters.

Love, prayer and therapy can and do accomplish miracles. So does forgiveness.

[Darksheare]

I fear that this in Florida is a test case, a 'roe vs wade' of euthanasia if you will.
Has nothing to do with Terry herself as the full intent of their aim is demonstrated by the wording of the bills themselves that were introduced.
S2228 says this:

S 2228 Page 16 and 17, posted 8/28/2000
14 (9) "Life-prolonging procedure" means any medical

15 procedure, treatment, or intervention, including artificially

16 provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores,

17 or supplants a spontaneous vital function.
...............................

By the above qualifier of 'supplants a spontaneous vital function', a pacemaker counts as reason to starve and dehydrate someone to death.

I've seen heated anger from both sides of the coin on this issue, and only a handful looking at it and saying, "Umm.. this is about euthanasia."


Thanks for the input.
I'll be pondering this awhile.

[nopardons]

Those of us who have shared your experience,with a beloved pet, could do no less. HUGS

[Dead Corpse]

If the parents are willing to take care of her, they should be allowed to do so.

Any other opinions on this subject I'll keep to myself.

[international american]

Do we have new mods working here as opposed to a few years ago?? They now seem to ban if their personal opinions
are disagreed with now. It used to be tough to get banned. Now I don't know whose next!

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Oh.......

Sorry to hear that. :(

Your house, your rules I understand but I would still like to ask for mercy.

[.38sw]

I've had some strong opinions on the issue as well, and got into a heated arguement with a couple of family members, which I'd rather not do. I've posted a little bit on the Terri threads, but they get so heated, that I've just backed away. I agree, she should go to her parents.

[Jim Robinson]

Yeah, and then after she woke up, they began preparing me for the fact that she was permanently brain damaged and would probably have to live the rest of her life in a nursing home. Well, obviously, that medical staff did not know the mother of my children very well. She was eventually moved to a nursing home, but after one day there I was disgusted with their gloomy attitude (they were planning a long term stay) and began looking for another. I found one that had a good reputation for care and therapy and moved her there. At this time she could not even sit without falling over. Thirteen days later and as soon as she could sit in a chair I brought her home and contracted for a home therapist and part time nurse. After much therapy she finally learned how to walk again. Now she travels all over the country with me. And nags me to no end. God how I love her. And I thank God for every day we've been together.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

I've seen heated anger from both sides of the coin on this issue, and only a handful looking at it and saying, "Umm.. this is about euthanasia."

Yes. It is also about which side we should error on if we error.

Maybe Terri no longer has cognitive brain activity. Maybe she does. I am not a doctor. But if she does not it does her no harm to receive treatment. And if she does to deny her treatment is beyond cruel.

If we must error let it be on the side of mercy and life.

And that is all I have to say on the subject.