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Top U.S. Bishop to All Bishops: ‘We Did Not Ask for This Fight, But We Will Not Run From It’
CNS News ^ | March 4, 2012 | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 03/04/2012 12:44:57 PM PST by NYer

Cardinal Timothy Dolan

Pope Benedict XVI makes Archbishop Timothy Dolan a cardinal of the Catholic Church on Feb. 18, 2012 at Saint Peter's Basilica in the Vatican. (AP Photo/Andrew Medichini)

(CNSNews.com) - Cardinal Timothy Dolan, archbishop of New York and president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, sent a letter on Friday to all the Catholic bishops of the United States reasserting the conviction of the Catholic Church that it will not yield to the Obama administration’s command—issued in the form of a Health and Human Services regulation implementing the president’s health-care plan--that Catholics and Catholic institutions must violate the teachings of their faith by purchasing and providing health insurance plans that pay for sterilizations, contraceptives and abortifacients.

“We have made it clear in no uncertain terms to the government that we are not at peace with its invasive attempt to curtail the religious freedom we cherish as Catholics and Americans,” Cardinal Dolan wrote his brother bishops.

“We did not ask for this fight, but we will not run from it,” he said.

“Since January 20, when the final, restrictive HHS Rule was first announced,” Cardinal Dolan wrote, “we have become certain of two things: religious freedom is under attack, and we will not cease our struggle to protect it.”

Although the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops posted the cardinal’s letter on its website on Friday and issued a press release about it, neither The Washington Post nor The New York Times nor any other American newspaper that appears in the massive Lexis-Nexis database of news sources published a story about it in any of their Saturday editions. Nor, as of the early hours on Sunday, had any secular newspaper that shows up in a Google News search published a story about the letter.

Despite the silence from the establishment media, the cardinal’s defiant letter was in fact a major event in what has become the most significant confrontation over religious freedom in the history of the United States.

On Thursday, the Senate voted 51 to 48 to reject an amendment sponsored by Sen. Roy Blunt of Missouri that would have added “conscience protection” language to the Obamacare legislation, and thus protect employers from being forced to provide health insurance coverage for sterilizations, contraceptives and abortifacients if they have a moral or religious objection to these things.

If enacted, this amendment would nullify the HHS sterilization-contraception-abortifacient regulation insofar is it effects employers, but not insofar as it effects individuals who buy their own insurance and who would still be mandated under Obamacare to purchase insurance.

“And you now ask the obvious question,” wrote Dolan, “”What’s next?’”

Dolan first noted that the Obama administration’s regulation jeopardizes the church’s ability to carry out the ministries that he said have been entrusted to it by Jesus.

“As pastors and shepherds, each of us would prefer to spend our energy engaged in and promoting the works of mercy to which the Church is dedicated: healing the sick, teaching our youth, and helping the poor,” said O’Connor. “Yet, precisely because we are pastors and shepherds, we recognize that each of the ministries entrusted to us by Jesus is now in jeopardy due to this bureaucratic intrusion into the internal life of the church.”

Cardinal Dolan then said that the so-called “concession” President Obama had offered in February—that he would order insurance companies working with Catholic institutions to provide sterilizations, contraceptives and abortifacients to the workers at those institutions for free—did not solve the problem.

“For one, there was not even a nod to the deeper concerns about trespassing upon religious freedom, or of modifying the HHS’ attempt to define the how and who of our ministry,” wrote the cardinal.

“Two, since a big part of our ministries are ‘self-insured,’ we still ask how this protects us,” he wrote. “We’ll still have to pay and, in addition to that, we’ll still have to maintain in our policies practices which our Church has consistently taught are grave wrongs in which we cannot participate.

“And what about forcing individual believers to pay for what violates their religious freedom and conscience?” he wrote. “We can’t abandon the hard working person of faith who has a right to religious freedom.

“And three,” he said, “there was still no resolution about the handcuffs placed upon renowned Catholic charitable agencies, both national and international, and their exclusion from contracts just because they will not refer victims of human trafficking, immigrants and refugees, and the hungry of the world, for abortions, sterilization, or contraception.”

The cardinal revealed that President Obama had invited the bishops to work with the White House to “work out the wrinkles” on his proposed accommodation. But that effort failed to make progress as the White House showed no flexibility on the core issue.

“At a recent meeting between staff of the bishops’ conference and the White House staff, our staff members asked directly whether the broader concerns of religious freedom—that is, revisiting the straight-jacketing mandates, or broadening the maligned exemption—are all off the table,” wrote the cardinal. “They were informed that they are. So much for ‘working out the wrinkles.’”

The cardinal said that the bishops would continue to seek a legislative remedy to the administration’s attack on religious liberty and would also pursue protection of religious liberty through the federal courts.

“Perhaps the courts offer the most light,” he said, pointing to the Supreme Court’s recent 9-0 decision against the Obama administration in the Hosanna-Tabor case in which the administration tried to tell a Lutheran church who its ministers would be.

“Given this climate, we have to prepare for tough times,” the cardinal wrote.

He closed the letter by noting to his brother bishops that religious freedom now faces a threat not from a foreign enemy but from within the United States.

“Brothers, we know so very well that religious freedom is our heritage, our legacy and our firm belief, both as loyal Catholics and Americans,” he wrote. “There have been many threats to religious freedom over the decades and years, but these often came from without. This one sadly comes from within. As our ancestors did with previous threats, we will tirelessly defend the timeless and enduring truth of religious freedom.” Read the entirety of Cardinal Timothy Dolan's letter by clicking here.


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; History; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; hhs; hhsmandate; mandate; media; news; religiousfreedom; religiousliberty

1 posted on 03/04/2012 12:45:03 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Despite the silence from the establishment media, the cardinal’s defiant letter was in fact a major event in what has become the most significant confrontation over religious freedom in the history of the United States.

Catholic ping!

2 posted on 03/04/2012 12:46:28 PM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NYer

Wow. He’s actually triggering the enemies foreign and domestic clause.


3 posted on 03/04/2012 12:52:44 PM PST by LeopoldvonRanke
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To: NYer

Godspeed!


4 posted on 03/04/2012 12:52:56 PM PST by Ancient Drive (DRINK COFFEE! - Do Stupid Things Faster with More Energy!)
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To: NYer

I am so proud of Cardinal Dolan. You see - he’s from flyover country - West of the Hudson and East of Kaleefornica. Yep - we ARE clinging to our Bibles and our guns. You Betcha.


5 posted on 03/04/2012 12:54:54 PM PST by WaterWeWaitinFor (If we don't help make a change, then who will? It starts with us.)
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To: NYer; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; VinceASA; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; pieces of time; ..
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.


6 posted on 03/04/2012 12:57:24 PM PST by narses
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

It’s not about where he’s from, it’s about who he worships.


7 posted on 03/04/2012 1:01:08 PM PST by mgist
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To: NYer

The arrogance and ignorance of the ‘secular’ obama marxist regime started this confrontation against the Catholic Church and The American People. Obama doesn’t care about religious freedom. The ‘constitutional’ professor obviously doesn’t even know about one of the central concepts that started this Great American Experiment hundreds of years ago.


8 posted on 03/04/2012 1:02:01 PM PST by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: NYer
This isn't the first time secular governments tried to bully the Church and infringe on the rights of the people.

I suspect there are freepers who could, off the top of their heads write a fact based vanity on the subject.

9 posted on 03/04/2012 1:02:05 PM PST by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: NYer

As Paul Weyrich used to say, we need 50,000 new active recruits to the cause.

One down, 49,999 to go.


10 posted on 03/04/2012 1:08:47 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I am going to VT and western MA to campaign against MITT.)
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To: Jacquerie
This isn't the first time secular governments tried to bully the Church and infringe on the rights of the people. I suspect there are freepers who could, off the top of their heads write a fact based vanity on the subject.

Cardinal O’Connor in the 1980′s, when Mayor Ed Koch passed Executive Order 50 that would have forced the Catholic Church to hire homosexuals in all of our institutions. From Wiki:

O’Connor actively opposed Executive Order 50, a mayoral order issued in 1980 by Mayor Ed Koch, which required all City contractors, including religious entities, to provide services on a non-discriminatory basis with respect to race, creed, age, sex, handicap, as well as “sexual orientation or affectational preference”.[25] After the Salvation Army received a warning from the City that its contracts for child care services would be canceled for refusing to comply with the executive order’s provisions regarding sexual orientation,[26] the Archdiocese of New York and Agudath Israel, an Orthodox Jewish organization, threatened to cancel their contracts with the City if forced to comply.[26] O’Connor maintained that the executive order would cause the Church to appear to condone homosexual practices and lifestyle.[27][27] Writing in Catholic New York in January 1985, O’Connor characterized the order as “an exceedingly dangerous precedent [that would] invite unacceptable governmental intrusion into and excessive entanglement with the Church’s conducting of its own internal affairs.” Drawing the traditional Catholic distinction between homosexual “inclinations” and “behavior”, he stated that “we do not believe that homosexual behavior … should be elevated to a protected category.”[28]

The Church won its case in court, but O’Connor was willing to close our schools and child care agencies if we lost, forcing a city just inching back from bankruptcy to pick up the cost.


The above excerpt is from a thread I posted yesterday ...

The HHS Mandate: Cardinal George and the Bishops Are Fighting the Last War (Excellent Analysis)

11 posted on 03/04/2012 1:14:36 PM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: LeopoldvonRanke; NYer
Wow. He’s actually triggering the enemies foreign and domestic clause.

Hope the rest of the Churches - Catholic and Protestant - stand by their beliefs.

I got the following earlier today, and found it a great political sermon:

The Churches brought this on themselves, by not standing up to those who willfully defied the teachings yet were allowed to remain in good standing. The few times a priest refused communion were roundly denounced to where they backed down. May this cause an awakening!

Frederic Bastiat foretold this very scenario:

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."

12 posted on 03/04/2012 1:23:26 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: NYer

Cardinal Dolan’s own “Here I stand” moment. The hand of God at work, as history unfolds before our very eyes. Do I hear the sound of something being nailed to front door of the White House?


13 posted on 03/04/2012 1:41:20 PM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: mgist
Some history here and some direction for the future also!

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Obama's defense of religion {Mega BARF-Alert - talk about spin...}
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Cardinal Timothy Dolan issues strongest statement yet against the HHS mandate
Clergy Declare State of Emergency for Churches Over Obama Demands
Father, We're Ready for that Homily on Contraception Now
Contraception, Against Conscience [Why EWTN Will Not Comply With Obama's Mandate]
Bishops Decry Obama birth Control Plan, Yet Catholic Hospitals Report Sterilizations
The Catholic Betrayal of Religious Freedom
Obama Responds to Belmont Abbey Lawsuit. Epic Fail.
Catholic Charities Insists it has not Endorsed HHS Mandate
Chaput emerging as a warrior-bishop
Archbishop Chaput: It’s not a ‘compromise,’ and it needs to be rescinded
Pro-Abortion Fingerprints on HHS Mandate
Dem (Congressman) Scolds Bishop (at House Oversight hearin)
Evangelicals & Catholics Together: In Defense of Religious Freedom (vs. Islam, Secularism)
Catholic priest, pro-life activists arrested outside White House protesting Obama mandate
Obama Contradicted: HHS Banned Consideration of ‘Cost Effectiveness’ in Developing Contraception
BREAKING: Every Single Bishop Has Condemned the Obama/HHS Mandate!
Pro-life nuns: We’re not exempt - Obama mandate would force us ‘to pay for abortion-inducing drugs’

Contraception ruling: Democrats accuse clergy of complicity with GOP at hearing
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Voris: Obama Able to Neutralize Catholic Resistance Thanks to Bishops’ Past Complicity
Abortion, Contraception and the Church Fathers (Catholic teaching unchanged for 2000 yrs)
Head of U.S. bishops: Obama compromise on mandate ‘a hill of beans’; opposition intensifies
USCCB President: 'Harder and Harder' to Accept Obama's Word
White House Criticizes Bishops, Trumpets Support from CHA, Catholic Charities
Political Science 101: how the White House snookered the USCCB on the 'compromise'
What Did CHA's Carol Keehan Know and When Did She Know It?
Pope Shares Remarks on American Culture with Bishops; Issues Call to Laity By: Msgr. Charles Pope
USCCB President says Obama offered next to nothing; expresses disappointment with Sr. Keehan
Evangelical Leaders Call for Civil Disobedience Against U.S. Government
Liberal Jews Speak Against HHS Mandate
Top nun who supported Obama mandate thanks pro-choice group in private e-mail
Catholic Health Association collaboration with Obama admin on mandate a ‘scandal’: Catholic leader
Obama's revised HHS mandate won't solve problems, USCCB president says
Fr. Frank Pavone: No compromise - the mandate has to go, period
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Culture with Local Bishops and Issues a Call to the Laity [Ecumenical]
Bishops Reject Obama's 'Accommodation' - President's political hemorrhaging to continue.

HHS Mandate - Nothing Has Changed (Donald Cardinal Weurl)
Obama Chief of Staff: New Pro-Abortion Mandate Here to Stay
WH: We Are Done Negotiating With Catholics
Opponents launch new White House petition rejecting Obama rewrite of birth control mandate
Did the Leaders of the Catholic Church Make a Deal with the Redistributionist Devil?
Archbishop Chaput: HHS mandate insulting and dangerous
Cardinal-Designate Dolan no longer trusts Obama
American Catholicism’s Pact With the Devil
Notre Dame Faculty to Obama: ‘This Is a Grave Violation of Religious Freedom and Cannot Stand’
White House: No More Compromise on Contraception
Obama's anti-religious implosion
Lew: Obama's latest stance on birth-control mandate final, puts issue to rest (CAPTION)
Pat Buchanan: 'Obama is trampling on God's turf' (Video)
W.H. official: Contraceptive rule stands
Obama chief of staff: No more compromise, contraceptive rule is done deal
Bishops Reject White House’s New Plan on Contraception (Obama continues his "War On Religion")
Faith/Pro-Life Leaders to Challenge Mandate by Praying and Risking Arrest in Front of the WH
Catholic Bishops: Don't Revise, Rescind
Obama's contempt for the Constitution
How the Catholic Church Became Cool Overnight

Chuck Colson Reacts to Obama’s “Compromise” on Required Abortion Care for Church Employees
US Bishops: Obama's 'Compromise' Has No Clear Protection...(Needless Government Intrusion)
Protests Continue Over Insurance for Contraception, Abortifacients (Feds Under Increasing Pressure
Bishops to Obama: No dice
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Michael Moore Goes On Anti-Catholic Twitter Rant, Distorts Contraception Debate
Religious controversy burns Obama again (the rookie Hussein is in WAY over his pay grade)
Another Catholic college vows it will ‘not violate conscience’ on Obama mandate
Lutherans join chorus of voices slamming HHS contraceptive mandate
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Hannity on now with Priests, Pastors and Rabbis. Please watch
EDITORIAL: Obama’s free abortion pills
U.S. bishops ‘express concerns’ about Obama mandate ‘accommodation’
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'Accounting gimmick' -- Obama compromise still threatens religious liberty, leaders say
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Southern Baptist leader: If Obama mandate isn’t changed, Christians will go to jail
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Boehner vows to overturn Obama’s birth control coverage rule
Boehner: Congress to overturn birth control policy if Obama does not reverse course
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The Bishops Chickens Coming Home to Roost.
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Phoenix bishop (Olmstead): defy feds on birth control
A letter from Archbishop Dennis M. Schnurr concerning HHS edict
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OBAMA’S CONTEMPT FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY (mandates coverage of sterilization & contraception)
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14 posted on 03/04/2012 2:05:20 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
“As pastors and shepherds, each of us would prefer to spend our energy engaged in and promoting the works of mercy to which the Church is dedicated: healing the sick, teaching our youth, and helping the poor. . . .”

Oh, but, Cardinal Dolan, you are "promoting the works of mercy" when you stand up against a worldly tyranny which asserts an unconstitutional right to violate and control the minds and consciences of millions of believers--a right which the People have never granted to their elected representatives.

"Until the people have, by some solemn and authoritative act, annulled or changed the established form, it is binding upon them collectively, as well as individually; and no presumption or even knowledge of their sentiments, can warrant their representatives [the executive, judiciary, or legislature]; in a departure from it prior to such an act." - Alexander Hamilton

Further, Cardinal Dolan, by your stand for liberty, you are teaching the children about their unalienable, Creator-endowed right, in America, to pursue happiness according the disciplines of their faith and consciences.

15 posted on 03/04/2012 2:23:59 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: NYer
Boy, did we American Catholics get the right man/bishop for the right job--defeat Obama and the Democrat's war on our faith.

Some people say that it's all about money. But, it really is more than that. It's one Democrat president and his gang of godless who want those pesky Catholics to GIVE UP the faith of our fathers. They want us to roll over and say "uncle."

The American RED HAT will fight the good fight on our behalf. My money is on the RED HAT.

16 posted on 03/04/2012 2:29:05 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Salvation

Nice!


17 posted on 03/04/2012 2:43:55 PM PST by mgist
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To: NYer

“How many divisions does the Pope have?” - Joseph Stalin

I believe Obummer is about to find out the same way his fellow socialists have in recent years.


18 posted on 03/04/2012 3:44:08 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
"As Paul Weyrich used to say, we need 50,000 new active recruits to the cause. One down, 49,999 to go."

Man, I MISS Paul Weyrich. A mighty man of God.

19 posted on 03/04/2012 3:46:11 PM PST by redhead (Alaska: Step out of the bus and into the food chain.)
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To: NYer
He wants Catholic hospitals to close.

Gives him plenty of room for the next step.

Remove 200K hospital beds, suddenly the Catholic church becomes the bad guy in public opinion.. He then gets to fully implement the death panels.

If you are over 65 and critically ill you won't get medical care. Canadian style waits of 6 months or more for elective procedures.

Expect China style period police. After all intimate physical searches have become common place with the TSA. It's just one further step. Can't have too many babies being born with limited hospital delivery services.

It's a small step with them from free ability to contracept to duty to contracept. Same applies to abortion.

20 posted on 03/04/2012 4:42:35 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: NYer
Welcome to reality, Tim.

Unfortunately, you're a day late and a dollar short.

21 posted on 03/04/2012 4:56:08 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopaths.)
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To: TASMANIANRED
He wants Catholic hospitals to close.

In the words of Frances Piven and Richard Cloward, "Overwhelm the system."

22 posted on 03/04/2012 4:58:11 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopaths.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Which would lay the groundwork to a second American revolution.


23 posted on 03/04/2012 5:12:44 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: NYer

The proverbial “Sternly worded letter”.

Now what?


24 posted on 03/04/2012 5:22:27 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: NYer

These are ominous times, but with our leaders, I am proud to be a Catholic in this fight.


25 posted on 03/04/2012 9:25:35 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: NYer

This civil disobedience should be child’s play compared to those who faced lions in an arena for this same religion.


26 posted on 03/04/2012 11:32:28 PM PST by krogers58
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To: Chuckster
The proverbial “Sternly worded letter”. Now what?

First ... the warning shot. While we are all waiting to see Dolan's next move, many of us are still waiting for support from the christian community at large. Where are the voices of Joel Ostein or Pat Robertson? Why don't we hear outrage on religious freedom from the Evangelical or Methodist or Lutheran or Anglican communities? Oh wait ... they have been silenced because they condone the use of contraceptives and abortifacients by their members. Perhaps you can rally some troops to come to the assistance of the Catholic Church.

27 posted on 03/05/2012 5:23:10 AM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: big'ol_freeper

28 posted on 03/05/2012 5:34:30 AM PST by Daffynition (On Andrew Breitbart: In his honor, I'll fight harder...He'll be back and he'll be millions.)
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There are several Protestant ministers who have aligned themselves with the Carholic church on this issue. Richard Land of the Southern Baptists is one. Dr. Land has stated that it may actually culminate in Christians being thrown into jail, and he, himself, is willing to take that step if necessary in order to defy the Obama administration.

Onward Christian Soldiers! The Conservarive Orthodox Jewish Community has also come out in support of the RC Church on this subject matter.

Religious people ought not to negotiate with the administration about our civil rights which are God-given and written into the US Constitution (Bill of Rights, 1st Amendment).

These rights are not negotialble!


29 posted on 03/05/2012 7:52:36 AM PST by Gumdrop
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“As pastors and shepherds, each of us would prefer to spend our energy engaged in and promoting the works of mercy to which the Church is dedicated: healing the sick, teaching our youth, and helping the poor,” said O’Connor. “Yet, precisely because we are pastors and shepherds, we recognize that each of the ministries entrusted to us by Jesus is now in jeopardy due to this bureaucratic intrusion into the internal life of the church.”

A small slip up by the author. In the previous and following paragraphs he is talking about Cardinal Dolan.

30 posted on 03/05/2012 9:56:37 AM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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