LOL!
Posted on 12/27/2005 10:42:05 AM PST by proud republican woman
After reading all of the crap that people have been saying regarding Adult Private Social Clubs, I felt that I had to post an article and give my opinion. I am sick and tired of all the religous groups that are saying that there are drugs, prostitution, minors, non-consenting people, and just immoral people at these clubs! First of all, who do these people think they are to decide what is morally right or wrong for me? I believe that I have a good set of morals. I am a law abiding, tax paying citizen, I work full time and provide for my child; whom I teach to be courteous, respect his elders, be a hard worker, have respect for all of humankind as well as the earth, and not to 'cram' his opinions and beliefs down other people's throats. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing christianity, it's just that I'm so sick and tired of others trying to decide what is 'morally acceptable' for me. These people need to have their facts straight before running off at the mouth! And yes, I do belong to a several 'Swing Clubs', so I DO KNOW what I'm talking about. First of all, NO ONE UNDER THE AGE OF 21 IS ADMITTED (clubs do check id)!, no drugs are tolerated........no exceptions!, there is no prostitution!, safe sex is highly encouraged, NO MEANS NO...ie...club owners and managers DO NOT tolerate anyone getting out of line what so ever!, and many club members are good and decent people with the best of morals. In short, no one is making these religous people go to the clubs, so, they need to quit trying to close the Adult Private Social Clubs. What goes on inside of these clubs is perfectly legal. We're not imposing our way of life on ANYONE, so others need to quit imposing their way of life on all of us!
I think it means, "leave me alone I'm in my safe place."
That is funny......I'm still laughing
Omedalus (I'm back from lunch and here are your own words):
Post #85
Thank you (to: proud republican woman). I, too, am greatly annoyed at some people's tendencies to tell me that my personal choices are "immoral" . . . I believe that the attempt by third parties to interfere with the choices of rational, intelligent, mutually consenting adults is simply ignorant, and definitively non-conservative. And, no, I myself am not part of a swinger's club, though I don't care who is or isn't . . .
Post #162
How does kidnapping, rape, and murder of a child have anything to do with adults getting together in sex clubs? I mean, how is one even remotely related to the other?
[After I explained how, you proceeded to equate deviant sexual behavior with the rights guaranteed under the 2nd Amendment:]
Post #229
I go to the range all the time, and meet and talk to people there. If someone I met at the range were to kidnap, rape, and kill my daughter, I wouldn't blame my participation in the range . . . I don't care about adults hooking up with each other at sex clubs . . .
[Even if it results in the kidnapping, rape, and murder of children.]
Any questions?
Exactly - I still don't know if Omedalus was more or less of a troll than PRW ; )
8^)
Hoo-weeeee! Thanks for the ping.
You're welcome - have fun!
I beg to differ with you. The cigarette has no bearing on the sexiness of the pic or any object in it. :^D
Here is some thoughtful response that isn;t intended to judge.
Many people might become myopically focused upon private activities and decisions to advance their personal pleasure irregardless of other taboos.
Frequently, those who become so focused are fundamentally absorbed in a frantic search for happiness. This is very symptomatic of somebody who doesn't have a relationship with God or has turned away from Him and is now seeking a counterfeit experience.
You are quite correct, in that do-gooders who simply seek to interject their personal values upon you or anybody else, generally need to get themselves back on track with God and nobody else really needs their counsel. Likewise, I really could care less if you agree or disagree with this post, it is imply offered for consideration of some ideas which you might not have ever considered.
There are also some sound reasonable counterarguments to your position of supporting sexual social clubs.
Firstly, God didn't create man and woman for anything but a monogamous relationship. Don't take my word for it,..study His word in Scripture to understand what is implied by this.
Some theologians have identified 4 institutions divinely established for believers and unbelievers alike. Both unbelievers and believers are able to share in joys and happiness in the world when they live within these institutions. They are personal volition, marriage, family, and legitimate government.
God also created man originally in body, soul, and spirit. Until an unbeliever has faith in God through Christ, they only possess body and soul, however God created man to be composed of body, soul, and spirit. When we live by His plan He provides that for us and we will live the most glorious life imaginable. This doesn't mean there aren't numerous temptation and deceptions that promise an alternate happiness, perhaps short lived, but unfaithfully omit consequences, some temporary, some eternal, that happen when we step away from what He has planned for us.
A few common sensical expressions might also assist here that are consistent with how God has created things. One is that most women really do not like a sex club type environment. This is, however, a very popular enticement to young boys who don't know much about women. Secondly, many women who happen to become so involved also tend to yearn for other women and shun men. So for the young man who thinks he is going to get a great present, might find out he's opening a Pandora's Box of misery if he attempts to lure a young wife into such a club. Even if not so induced, the idea will come up in both spouse's heads that perhaps the other is also so involved. This doesn't increase intimacy, but distracts from a marital intimacy. In more colloquial terms, the behavior of a woman that earns her the name of 'bi*ch', is stongly associated with the type of natural behavior that results from sleeping with multiple men and not treating sexual monogomay, i.e. there's a reason why a B is called a B.
Now let's consider governmental laws. Marriage and family are strong institutions. Sexual immorality effects the fiber of both of these institutions. They not only effect the behavior and free will volition of the persons who act in sexual immorality, they also strongly effect the spouse, to the point of destroying many desirable ramifications and aspects of marriage, arguably destroy the very foundation of a marriage, and deprive other family members or the marriage and family institution which they have a right to live within.
Governmentally, if the family and marital institutions are destroyed or damaged, overwhelming societal effects loom, even to the point of destroying the society.
On a personal basis, even more dire consequences await. Even without dwelling upon the issues of STDs or assuming all parties in the marriage have agreed to swap around to each other's consent, fundamentally the notion of a sex club provides a counterfeit to God's plan of marriage between man and wife.
The activity will be remembered by both parties of the consent as well as third parties who become adulterously involved. Even if one became cold hearted, simply seeking a heroin like high from sexual activity, their souls or thinking becomes scarred from being able to enjoy one on one intimacy with their intended spouse. This also confuses further how one spouse might feel differently than the other, even when both seek to be intimate.
In regards to how strict the 'sex club' manager (aka pimp) is in maintaining order, I suspect if one partner began to use the facilities more than another, or if one became less absorbed in the activity, would the manager also make sure the more willing partner didn't have more activity than the other? If not, then the manager really isn't making sure intuitive hostilities aren't evolving. In other words, the lack of involvement is less loving and respectful of one's fellow man than his omission of action. BTW, the bylaws of such a sex club, in and of themselves are a form of government by regulation. It would be interesting to see how well those bylaws actually remain consistent with the written and intent of local, county, state and federal laws that might bear conflicting interests to the sex club.
In a nutshell, we are all responsible for our thinking, decisions and behavior. Where such thinking, decisions, and behavior effect ourselves, our spouses (current or prospective), our family (young and old, immediate and removed), and our government (bylaws of your club, city, town, county, state, nation) then there are consequences for those thoughts, decisions and behaviors. We aren't isolated or removed from such accountability. Even more consequential is the fate of the person who believes they are 'getting away' with whatever they want, ignoring God in the process. That isn't an issue for others, that is simply an issue between God and the individual person, however, the consequences of our rebellion might serve as an eternal memorial for the angels and man to observe the foolishness of those who disobey Him.
One last interesting observation is of older couples or individuals who have survived the 'swinging' scene. I've met a few and it's interesting how they never begin to have the same loving experiences and joy in life that was made available by a devout marriage and family as their peers have been so graced. There are huge omissions in their lives, voided for eternity, which were so readily available.
God bless and I hope you might find joy through Him. He really does have a remarkable life planned for you that's waiting for you to come to Him.
Did you notice that "CINDYSHEEHAN" is listed right where she belongs? Between "CHLAMYDIA" and "CRABS" - lol
ROFLMAO!
I would argue that context is everything. I am sure there are many creepy people who would consider Ann Coulter a "B" and in that context I would be glad to claim that title from such people.
ROFL
Yea, I'm having a bad hair day myself!
Careful, .. one colloquial definition of a B is a woman who believes such a term is a complement. Those so categorized are also frequently so scarred in their thinking that they don't comprehend why God didn't intend for them to be a B in His plan.
Enjoyed your posts.
I know what you mean. :-) Don't worry. But I'm more concerned about definitions than terms. It would be nice if we all shared the same definitions, but the left have done so much equivocating and verbicide in order to push their agendas that no one knows what any 'term' means anymore, except to look at it in the context of the ideology of the one using it. Ideally the person will give a coherent definition of the term, one that is factual... but not likely from the left!
*Ahhhhh*
Thanks.
I needed that.....;]
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