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Do They Know Who They’re Messing With? (Obama Administration vs. the Catholic Church?)
CE.com ^ | March 15, 2012 | David Catron

Posted on 03/16/2012 9:48:53 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: oldbill
CCHD is notoriously liberal. But they don't tell the bishops what to do, and USCCB doesn't tell the bishops what to do, either (it's supposed to be the other way around).

All of the defeatist garbage ("the bishops are going to cave anyway") around here really does nobody any good. You think it's already a lost cause? Trust me, Ave Maria and EWTN aren't dropping their lawsuits, no matter what "accommodation" the USCCB thinks it can arrange. And it only takes one lawsuit in federal court to kill this thing off.

There's no room for "caving" anyway on some of this stuff. Catholics can't be in the business of financing abortion and sterilization, period, end of story.

41 posted on 03/17/2012 6:42:54 AM PDT by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: oldbill
Idle threat.

Not in my Parish.

Even the local Priest {more of a liberal than I'd like} has his righteous up and more regular Church goers are both getting the message as well as going to vote against this halfrican, mooselimb, communist, prick.

I'm sure you will be the first to offer an apology to all the Church going Catholics {as compared to those that were dipped in Holy Water when they were a couple of months old} after they vote obummer out in November.

42 posted on 03/17/2012 7:09:32 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: catroina54
From the article...."Not all of the Church’s 600 hospitals would disappear, of course. Some would be bought by large for-profit chains, like HCA. Others would be picked up by big not-for-profit systems. But at least a third would probably go out of business." The Obama administration would simply see this as "collateral damage" for what it would gain by implementing and controlling health costs in order to "launder" resources of money to areas other than medical...which they will indeed do.

It's never about the untreated poor, never, it's about the means of controlling revenue where they want it...and the less which goes to the actual care of the public the better in their eyes.

So I don't see the Bishops outcry affecting this in the long run.....the administration knew this would be an issue for a time..and then fade out....they are "banking" on it.

43 posted on 03/17/2012 7:10:11 AM PDT by caww
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To: USS Alaska
I'm sure you will be the first to offer an apology to all the Church going Catholics

Today is St Patrick's Day. All over America there will be cardinals and bishops dining with abortionists like Kerry, Leahy, Biden, the Kennedys, Murray, Casey, O'Malley, Lynch, Connolly, Moran, Brady, and more. When these bishops stop being duplicitous and risk their tax exemptions to defend the truth and excommunicate these public sinners, maybe lay Catholics will stop backing Obama and his "social justice" (i.e. Marxist) agenda.

As of now, in spite of Condomcare, these bishops will not take a stand against democrats' agendae in areas like welfare, illegal immigration, ACORN fundng and all the rest. When they do, maybe then the all the Church going Catholics can apologize to me for their overwhelming support for Obama since 2008.

44 posted on 03/17/2012 8:09:13 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: RebelTXRose

RebelTXRose> You are right! The Rosary is such a Good&Powerful prayer that Holy Mother Church makes available a >Plenary or/and Partial Indulgence when the Rosary is prayed.
Pope John Paul II (That ‘moniker’ sounds like the CEO of a real big outfit) in “Rosarium Virginis Mariae” =

“Blessed Rosary of Mary, sweet chain linking us to God”
#39...”The Church has always attributed particular efficacy to this prayer, entrusting to the Rosary, to its choral recitation and to its constant practice, the most difficult problems. At times when Christianity itself seemed under threat, its deliverance was attributed to the power of this prayer, and Our Lady of the Rosary was acclaimed as the one whose intercession brought salvation.”

+#41...”The family that prays together stays together. The Holy Rosary, by age-old tradition, has shown itself particularly effective as a prayer which brings the family together. Individual family members, in turning their eyes towards Jesus, also regain the ability to look one another in the eye, to communicate, to show solidarity, to forgive one another and to see their covenant of love renewed in the Spirit of God.”


45 posted on 03/17/2012 8:10:59 AM PDT by gghd (A Pro-life Palinista & a member of the NRA)
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To: USS Alaska
I'm sure you will be the first to offer an apology to all the Church going Catholics

Today is St Patrick's Day. All over America there will be cardinals and bishops dining with abortionists like Kerry, Leahy, Biden, the Kennedys, Murray, Casey, O'Malley, Lynch, Connolly, Moran, Brady, and more. When these bishops stop being duplicitous and risk their tax exemptions to defend the truth and excommunicate these public sinners, maybe lay Catholics will stop backing Obama and his "social justice" (i.e. Marxist) agenda.

As of now, in spite of Condomcare, these bishops will not take a stand against democrats' agendae in areas like welfare, illegal immigration, ACORN fundng and all the rest. When they do, maybe then the all the Church going Catholics can apologize to me for their overwhelming support for Obama since 2008.

46 posted on 03/17/2012 8:13:01 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: Salvation

The Muzzie is going to find out the hard way that screwing with the Catholic church is one of the worst ideas he ever had.


47 posted on 03/17/2012 9:43:11 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: oldbill
OldBill,

You really need to check out your sources of information. What you are posting is old. Really old.

The Catholic Bishops and ACORN (cut off funding of ACORN)
Bishop discusses reasons behind cutoff of ACORN funding
Good News: Bishops Cut Off ACORN Funding!

PS. You can see that I am considerate and did your research for you......LOL!

48 posted on 03/17/2012 10:28:37 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: OrangeHoof; All

” What matters to me is that they don’t VOTE with this administration. If the Catholic church makes a point of telling their parishioners which party is threatening their religious freedom (and hopefully reminding them that Obama’s GOP opponent is a Catholic), they’ll be doing themselves a far greater service than to simply give lip service to a few issues they have disagreements with.”

Folks, we have a WINNER!!


49 posted on 03/17/2012 10:41:52 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: oldbill
When they do, maybe then the all the Church going Catholics can apologize to me for their overwhelming support for Obama since 2008.

your grasp of statistics is flawed.

In 2008 while CINOs {Catholics in name only} voted for obummer, Catholics that regularly attend Sunday Mass voted for mcpain 53-46.

50 posted on 03/17/2012 11:20:34 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: USS Alaska
"In 2008 while CINOs {Catholics in name only} voted for obummer, Catholics that regularly attend Sunday Mass voted for mcpain 53-46."

When the number of Catholics who found neither candidate worth voting for is considered Obama got less than 23% of the Catholic vote.

51 posted on 03/17/2012 11:30:50 AM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Salvation

BTTT!


52 posted on 03/17/2012 3:29:57 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: RitchieAprile

Sure does. Dolan will be very strong in Catholic doctrine and, hopefully, the next Pope.


53 posted on 03/18/2012 9:09:37 AM PDT by tob2 (November can't come soon enough for me.)
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To: doc1019

Abortion and divorce. Wrecking our society


54 posted on 03/18/2012 11:51:13 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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55 posted on 03/18/2012 1:37:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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