Posted on 01/28/2009 4:15:36 PM PST by markomalley
It really is hard to take a stand on this one isn't it!
Murder is defined as: The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
Note the definition uses the word "unlawful". That means that abortion by definition is against the constitution.
Unless you no longer claim an inalienable "Right to Life"
Imagine the negative media coverage when US Marshals are sent to arrest Bishops, clergy and administrators of Catholic hospitals who refuse to give in to this FOCA fascism. This will create a firestorm that even Lord Obama cannot weather.
What happened to what my parents did? If we needed to go to the Doctor- the bill was sent and paid by my parents.
It certainly kept someone from being frivolous about going to the doctor, and all 4 of us kids grew up just fine with home-medications. Pepto Bismal, Vicks, aspirin, and band-aids. Too many hypochondriacs now, with what they percieve to be unlimited “health insurance”.
I don’t think I ever got the Pepto. I did get some ear drops at times. I also got some asthma meds, but back then they didn’t have much. I probably got some cough syrup too, but those things you mentioned did cover about 99.99% of it.
I still remember the Vicks treatment. I liked the smell, but I have always hated something like that rubbed on my chest. Yeeeeiiiiiik!
>> It really is hard to take a stand on this one isn’t it!
It is a simple issue in a very complicated world. It is the tragedy of our lifetime.
Catholic groups are now making a push to drum up opposition to FOCA, with millions of postcards being distributed in English and Spanish in churches across the country, according to Deirdre McQuade, an assistant director for policy and communications at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.Tom Hanks will soon be condemning them as anti-American bigots.
I agree that religious organizations seem to want to get along and go along. Catholics do it in every area except reproduction
The Amish are privitized. The do not even pay SS. I would privitize and make everything religious into a membership only organization.
I agree that religious organizations seem to want to get along and go along. Catholics do it in every area except reproduction
The Amish are privitized. The do not even pay SS. I would privitize and make everything religious into a membership only organization.
So our town has two hospitals, one Christian the other a state hospital. If the Christian hospital closes does that means the only treatment option I will have is to go to the one that is committing infanticide within it’s doors? I’m speaking realistically here. I don’t want to be inside of a building that is butchering the innocent. That would leave me with no moral choice for health care. Your solution would be the only solution available to people like me. The liberals would probably find a way to close those as well. Why are they so obsessed with forcing the masses to murder their children? Is it population control? Get the useless eaters to kill their own young so they don’t have to be bothered with them? Is that it?
So our town has two hospitals, one Christian the other a state hospital. If the Christian hospital closes does that means the only treatment option I will have is to go to the one that is committing infanticide within it’s doors? I’m speaking realistically here. I don’t want to be inside of a building that is butchering the innocent. That would leave me with no moral choice for health care. Your solution would be the only solution available to people like me. The liberals would probably find a way to close those as well. Why are they so obsessed with forcing the masses to murder their children? Is it population control? Get the useless eaters to kill their own young so they don’t have to be bothered with them? Is that it?
No, what it means is that you will forgo your current state of affairs and join the private organization that the hospital will turn into. You will accept its limits of care and you will not have to pay tradtional health insurance, but instead pay fees to the facility.
If you are currently on some sort of government handout care, well, you have no choices. They pay they choose.
I propose we introduce the Freedom of Conscience Act (FOCA) in opposition to the Freedom Of Choice Act. Maybe we can confuse the debate and get our way!
You don't know what you're up against, Miller. Your "anti-life" side will lose this battle.
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How do you know this? Anyway, okay. I can’t stand the thought of them doing abortions in our local hospital. How can I live with that? There’s never been an abortion facility in the town I live in. Now I’m afraid it’s being hoisted upon us. I’m sickened.....again.
Catholics aren’t the only ones. The Protestant churches have veered off course as well. It’s the human condition. People loose their way and churches slip. The churches are afraid of loosing parishioners, so they modify their stances. And so it goes.
For the churches, hospitals, and religious organizations, I agree. I do want to state that those entities should be very careful to adhere to the requisite local laws regarding employment practices. I have seen some of these organizations do things that are not right, when it comes to their employees. There is special burden on these entities to live by Christ’s principles in these areas.
I don’t mean that to translate into union-like nonsense by any means though.
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