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Archbishop Chaput: ‘We Are Catholics Before We Are Americans’
The Washington Post ^ | 10/24/12 | Jeannine Hunter

Posted on 10/25/2012 7:04:01 AM PDT by marshmallow

Archbishop Charles J. Chaput of Philadelphia urged the faithful to put their faith ahead of politics, according to an interview with Catholic News Service within two weeks of the presidential election.

The Catholic leader clarified the duty of Catholics as he discussed the politics of abortion. He emphasized a need to honor God above country, of “Catholic identity taking precedence over everything.”

“We’re Catholics before we’re Democrats. We’re Catholics before we’re Republicans. We’re even Catholics before we’re Americans because we know that God has a demand on us prior to any government demand on us,” he said in a new interview with the wire service. “And this has been the story of the martyrs through the centuries,” Chaput said.

“[Abortion] is a very serious issue that requires absolute adherence on the part of Catholics,” said the Philadelphia archbishop, “and if we don’t stand united on this issue we’re bound to failure—not only in the area of protecting unborn human life but in maintaining our religious freedom.”

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To: ArrogantBustard
I'm more of a Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Kind of guy, myself.

I fully support the Constitution myself, so no contradiction there.

But before that, I'm a I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. I believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. kind of guy ...

Obviously a quote, trying to recognize it without Googling it. Nicine(sp?) Creed?

In any case, not something I believe in.

21 posted on 10/25/2012 12:00:46 PM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: ArrogantBustard
Augustine speaks of us having citizenship in two cites. The City of Man, which would loosley be the USA, and the City of God.

They both have some separate areas of concern. The Church doesn't have a lot to say on speed limits for example, but those who are of the City of God must realize we are just traveling here. This City is not our real home.

The danger is that most tend to drift more into the city of man. In other words, the reason why so many Catholics are devout Democrats is that their society or family group are culturally that way, and they value their standing in that group more than the standing in the Church.

22 posted on 10/25/2012 12:11:23 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Boogieman
I thought we kind of covered all of this with “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s”?

Only if we don't forget "Render unto God what is God's".

God is the Creator.

"Caesar" (however defined) is a mere creature.

Who comes first? Who has first claim on your loyalty?

I think the answer is easy. Or should be.

And I have already given it.

23 posted on 10/25/2012 12:20:09 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Joseph Harrolds
Obviously a quote, trying to recognize it without Googling it. Nicine(sp?) Creed?

Correct. "Nicene", BTW.

In any case, not something I believe in.

Your business. Your beliefs (or lack thereof) no doubt affect the way you vote ... Similarly, my beliefs (or lack thereof) affect the way I vote.

That's how a Republic works.

24 posted on 10/25/2012 12:24:13 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: redgolum
Good points.

The danger is that most tend to drift more into the city of man.

Right ... and when the City of Man starts to step outside its bounds, and say things like "killing babies OK" ... then we have a problem, and we must choose which "City" has our first and highest loyalty.

so many Catholics are devout Democrats is that their society or family group are culturally that way, and they value their standing in that group more than the standing in the Church.

They have chosen where to place their loyalty. They have chosen poorly, IMO. They have rendered unto Caesar what is God's.

25 posted on 10/25/2012 12:29:05 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Joseph Harrolds

As a group, non-Christians and non-believers are overwhelmingly anti-American, but that is just the big general picture, it doesn’t apply to many, many, individuals.


26 posted on 10/25/2012 12:30:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
The other thing to think about is that many the the Evangelicals have done the SAME THING with the GOP.

Billy Grahmn came out as a support of Moromism. Why? He doesn't want Obama to win.

Now you can support Mitt for president without supporting the LDS. He chose not to because of his close ties to the conservative movement in the GOP.

My loyalty is not to the Republican party. It is to God.

27 posted on 10/25/2012 12:52:09 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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**“We’re Catholics before we’re Democrats. We’re Catholics before we’re Republicans. We’re even Catholics before we’re Americans because we know that God has a demand on us prior to any government demand on us,” he said in a new interview with the wire service. “And this has been the story of the martyrs through the centuries,” Chaput said.**

BTTT!


28 posted on 10/25/2012 4:06:32 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Then by your own writ, you have no views about those who are demanding sharia law becoming the law of America, right? You have no view of a Republic being turned into a Socialist/Communist state, requiring everything of you, do you?
If this is true, then you really don’t, and can’t defend the very Bill of Rights, that folks fought, bled, and died, to make a reality, can you?


29 posted on 10/25/2012 7:46:46 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yes, I have! in fact, here is how “The Pledge” has “evolved” through time:
1892:
“I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.”
1892 to 1923:
“I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.”
1923 to 1954:
“I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.”
1954 to Present:
“I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.”

The reason it was changed in 1954, was in response to a little thing called Soviet Russia, and it’s little doctrine called Communism, otherwise, it would have remained unchanged, until this current President could get his fingers around it.

I was born before the last literary change, which I have no problem embracing.

I am swearing/pledging allegiance to the FLAG, that has flown over every military installation that I grew up on, and in my own time, served upon. It is the FLAG that drapes our fallen military members’ caskets, who have given their all in securing our Freedom. It is the FLAG that was once draped over the casket of a slain President in 1963, who was also a WW2 veteran. It is the FLAG that was draped over my best friend’s casket, when returned from Vietnam, in 1969.

That FLAG is the very symbol of Freedom, bought and paid for in the blood of our GI’s, throughout time.


30 posted on 10/25/2012 8:05:13 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: marshmallow

Thanks for posting this. I have not read the rest of the Bishop’s remarks, but he could have gone on to point out the important steps between God and Country that are habitually omitted when this topic comes up in the USA. My loyalty should be, in decreasing order of priority and probably leaving out some intermediates, to God, my family, my neighbors, my town, my county (not country), my state, and only then and presuming no conflict with higher priorities, to the federal government. After all these, of course, might come NATO, the UN, etc. Unfortunately, with the deliberate Balkanisation of the USA along ethnic lines we may all soon have to wrestle with where to insert our tribes into this hierarchy of loyalty.


31 posted on 10/25/2012 8:09:51 PM PDT by DumbestOx ("Where is everybody?" - Enrico Fermi, 1950)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Joseph Harrolds

You wrote:

“I can certainly understand why someone who acknowledges no supernatural divinity would give his highest loyalty to his country.”

That’s not logically sound. How many athiests would side with their country if their country told them they had to worship God, go to Church, pay taxes to support the established faith, and not use birth control?

In the end, if that were the situation, an athiest must choose his conscience over his nation. If he doesn’t, he will hate himself, hate his nation, and be useless to society in any matter concerning truth.


32 posted on 10/25/2012 9:37:38 PM PDT by vladimir998
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‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
Bruskewitz: Fight Insurance Ruling [Sebelius a "bitter, fallen away Catholic"]
Letter from Archbishop John G. Vlazny on the matter of freedom of conscience and decisions by HHS
Bishop Olmsted's Letter to Catholics [Catholic Caucus]
Liberty for the Amish & Quakers but not Catholics. . .
Contraception mandate prompts Peoria bishop to instate St. Michael Prayer (Catholic Caucus)
Phoenix bishop (Olmstead): defy feds on birth control
A letter from Archbishop Dennis M. Schnurr concerning HHS edict
Speak honestly: abortion is ‘the killing of tiny human beings in the womb’ – Denver bishop
Bishop [Daniel Jenky] Blasts Secularist Intolerance, Calls For ‘Assertive Action’ to Defend Church
(Pittsburgh Bishop Zubik comments:) HHS delays rule on contraceptive coverage
Dolan: Natural law, not religious preference, dictates all life sacred
Religious leaders blast HHS over contraception mandate
Mandated Contraception, Sterilization: Caesar Demands Church Violate Conscience
OBAMA’S CONTEMPT FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY (mandates coverage of sterilization & contraception)
Implications of Obama Admin move to force Cath hospitals to provide contraception and sterilizations
Catholic doctors’ group launches petition against contraception mandate
Contraception mandate tramples religious freedom, US bishops say

33 posted on 10/30/2012 3:47:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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