Skip to comments.Vikings May Have Been More Social Than Savage
Posted on 10/05/2013 9:09:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
Academics at Coventry University have uncovered complex social networks within age-old Icelandic sagas, which challenge the stereotypical image of Vikings as unworldly, violent savages.
Pádraig Mac Carron and Ralph Kenna from the University's Applied Mathematics Research Centre have carried out a detailed analysis of the relationships described in ancient Icelandic manuscripts to shed new light on Viking society.
In a study published in the European Physical Journal, Mac Carron and Kenna have asked whether remnants of reality could lurk within the pages of the documents in which Viking sagas were preserved.
They applied methods from statistical physics to social networks -- in which nodes (connection points) represent individuals and links represent interactions between them -- to home in on the relationships between the characters and societies depicted therein.
The academics used the Sagas of Icelanders -- a unique corpus of medieval literature from the period around the settlement of Iceland a thousand years ago -- as the basis for their investigation.
Although the historicity of these tales is often questioned, some believe they may contain fictionalised distortions of real societies, and Mac Carron's and Kenna's research bolsters this hypothesis.
They mapped out the interactions between over 1,500 characters that appear in 18 sagas including five particularly famous epic tales. Their analyses show, for example, that although an 'outlaw tale' has similar properties to other European heroic epics, and the 'family sagas' of Icelandic literature are quite distinct, the overall network of saga society is consistent with real social networks...
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Replica of Viking ship. Academics have uncovered complex social networks within age-old Icelandic sagas, which challenge the stereotypical image of Vikings as unworldly, violent savages. (Credit: © pemabild / Fotolia)
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Posted on 09/28/2013 2:25:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
Most Vikings were victims. Victims of Travel Agents who sold southern vacation trips but never got the destination accommodations negotiated.
Given that the ATMs of the day were Monasteries, the poor vikings made ATM withdrawals to be able to exist until transportation home could be arranged.
It's all a great misunderstanding.
It’s my understanding that when my ancestors were drunk, they were a pretty fun lot.
Short, though. I was AMAZED to see the door of a stave church and hear that it was actually person-height.
“Academics at Coventry University have uncovered complex social networks within age-old Icelandic sagas, which challenge the stereotypical image of Vikings as unworldly, violent savages.”
Who are these “academics” and where did they get their (apparently) worthless degrees? I ask because historians have already known this for a heck of a long time.
Seriously, have these people never studied prosopography before?
Scroll down here to see the average height of men in Scandinavia in the Middle Ages: http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/vikheight.shtml
At our recent Scandinavian picnic here in St. Louis, I met a professor who actually is an expert in Icelandic and Old Norse.
The Vikings ruled their realms like the Mob, La Cosa Nostra. As long as they got their cut, usually 10%, of all economic activity in the area they left everybody alone. Everybody had to kick up, right up to the boss (The King). However, when the envelopes were light, well my friend, that’s when they got violent. People got whacked, until they stopped holding out.
Similar analogy can be drawn, for the same reason, between the French of the Quebecois vs. French as spoken in France.
Anything about Vikings in the Turtle Mountains of ND? Also, do you know anything about how they moored their boats? Three sided holes drilled in rocks?
I've spent a lot of time in Scandinavia and seen a lot of the old buildings. Yes, people seem to have been shorter back then, but maybe not by more than a couple inches on average. Also, people in general were shorter in previous centuries--or I should say, we're taller now, probably due to advances in nutrition in the West over the last century or so.
I spent four months in Korea back in 1988, and at 6'3" I was literally the tallest person in the country I saw during that time. But now there are a number of Korean young men who are that tall. The health and diet of the country has improved and made a difference.
BTW, one other reason for low doorways and ceilings in old buildings in northern climes could be in order to heat the house and keep the heat in.
I dated a Swede that was a Social Savage.
Even true for the US. American English has more in common vocabulary wise with 17th and 18th Century England than today’s UK English does. If King George III came back to today’s world, he would have an easier time understanding the language in the US than England.
Vikings are obviously victims of racism.
Vikings May Have Been More Social Than Savage
May be........ EXCEPT for the rape, pillage and mass murders..
And then theres the slavery, hostage taking, ransomes, and arson..
The Vikes were pretty liberal in the sense of todays liberality..
They could have been democrats.. very progressive were they..
In the sense of social corruption, bribery, ideology and Mob Rule..
You know.................................. by Mobsters.. i.e. democracy..
Socialist and savage. Still are. Bane of Christianity and Jews everywhere.
Yes, the shortness certainly was due to diet.
sailing that thing across the ocean with only a primitive compass, no charts, the mind boggles.
North Dakota? Nope, that’s a new one to me. Any pics?
I lived in Denmark from 1960-1963 and became fluent in Danish. The interesting thing is that when you have your “ear” for the language you will find there are amazing differences. For instance when speaking with a farmer in southern Jylland you will hear “old English” pronunciations of lots of words and phrases.
On the other hand the Danish spoken in Copenhagen is very different. Nevertheless it is an interesting language to say the least.
It’s also an advantage when someone is coming in your house/building they have to duck their head.
Makes it a lot easier to cut it off if you don’t really want them in there.
Everything that anyone could conceivably want to know about the Vikings has already been described in that epic work, Hägar the Horrible.
The are many words of Norse origin that remain in spoken English today.
While many have their history in warfare, a very many of them are about are about everyday life:
The following link lists some of the English words of norse origin. You can see in the list that many are not about war. The lists expresses the result of settlement by and intermarriage with the norse in parts of northern and eastern England.
Of course the biggest tales of the “Vikings” told in England and later recorded came from the Anglo-Saxons who had just a few centuries earlier been invaders to the British Isles from the east.
Viking Words in English - The Viking Rune.com
“Viking origin of the words ransack and slaughter probably would not surprise anyone, but very peaceful words like leg, sky or window are also of Scandinavian provenance. The verb get, one of the most used in English, was actually borrowed from Old Norse...”
“The list of Old Norse loanwords below is far from being complete. However, it gives rather representative examples of Viking cultural assimilation in England.”
anger (Old Norse angr grief) [1220-1250]
birth (ON burðr) [1016-1150]
bleak (ON bleikr pale) [1250-1300]
bloom (ON blóm) [1016-1150]
call (ON kalla) [before 1016]
cast (ON kasta) [1016-1150]
crawl (ON krafla) [c.1350]
crook (ON krókr) [1016-1150]
die (ON deyja) [1016-1150]
fellow (ON félagi) [before 1016]
gear (ON gervi equipment) [1300-1450]
get (ON geta) [c.1250]
hit (ON hitta to come upon) [1016-1150]
husband (ON hús house and bóndi householder) [before 1016]
ill (ON illr) [1016-1150]
kid (ON kiþ) [1220-1250]
kindle (ON kynda) [1016-1150]
knife (ON knífr) [1016-1150]
law (ON lag law)
leg (ON leggr) [1016-1150]
lift (ON lypta) [1250-1300]
loan (ON lán) [1016-1150]
loose (ON lauss) [1300-1450]
low (ON lágr) [1016-1150]
meek (ON mjúkr gentle, soft) [1016-1150]
rag (ON rögg) [1016-1150]
raise (ON rísa to rise) [1016-1150]
ransack (ON rann-saka to search a house) [1220-1250]
sale (ON sala) [1016-1150]
scare (ON skjarr timid) [1016-1150]
seem (ON sæma to conform to) [1250-1300]
skill (ON skil) [1016-1150]
skin (ON skinn) [1016-1150]
skirt (ON skyrt) [after 1450]
sky (ON skie cloud) [1220-1250]
slaughter (ON sláter butchers meat) [1300-1450]
sly (ON slgr) [c.1250]
snare (ON snara) [1016-1150]
take (ON taka) [1016-1150]
thrive (ON þrífa to grasp) [1016-1150]
trust (ON traust) [c.1250]
ugly (ON uggr fear) [1220-1250]
wand (ON vöndr) [1016-1150]
want (ON vanta) [1016-1150]
weak (ON veikr) [1250-1300]
window (ON vindauga wind eye) [1220-1250]
wing (ON vengr) [1016-1150]
wrong (ON rangr awry, unjust) [before 1016]
I said I was including a link, and then I forgot to.
Here it is:
There are some similarities with the list you posted.
In the list at the link I posted from wiki, the English word gift was included which has in old norse means dowry. It’s standardization in English is another testament to intermarriage between Norse and earlier inhabitants and settlers in the British Isles.
HOWEVER, one of the problems with exact derivation of some words is that not only the Norse, but the Angles (Anglos) and the Saxons, and the Frisians (from whom both the Angles and the Saxons borrowed some load words) as well as the Franks (before they entered Gaul and mixed with the Romans and natives of Gaul) ALL were Germanic peoples that, if taken far enough back have a common ancestral and language history with all “Germans” and all Scandanavians by way of their Germanic orgins.
Many old Norse words are only slightly altered from and slightly different from the same words in other Scandanavian languages or old German. It can be somewhat contestable if a word of some Germanic origin in English actually arrived into English with the Angles, the Saxons, the Frisians or the Norse.
Your post about the attributes of Vikings sounds very like The President’s description of Tea Party conservatives, eg. hostage taking, ransoms and arsons.
I guess he’s holding back on the murder and rape charges so he can claim to be civil in his discourse about them.
Viking Kitty attacking Betty Page. Kinky . . .
Um, I think that stereotype would still hold if you were among the raidees rather than the raiders.
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