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Vikings May Have Been More Social Than Savage
Science Daily ^ | October 1, 2013 | Coventry University, via AlphaGalileo

Posted on 10/05/2013 9:09:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Academics at Coventry University have uncovered complex social networks within age-old Icelandic sagas, which challenge the stereotypical image of Vikings as unworldly, violent savages.

Pádraig Mac Carron and Ralph Kenna from the University's Applied Mathematics Research Centre have carried out a detailed analysis of the relationships described in ancient Icelandic manuscripts to shed new light on Viking society.

In a study published in the European Physical Journal, Mac Carron and Kenna have asked whether remnants of reality could lurk within the pages of the documents in which Viking sagas were preserved.

They applied methods from statistical physics to social networks -- in which nodes (connection points) represent individuals and links represent interactions between them -- to home in on the relationships between the characters and societies depicted therein.

The academics used the Sagas of Icelanders -- a unique corpus of medieval literature from the period around the settlement of Iceland a thousand years ago -- as the basis for their investigation.

Although the historicity of these tales is often questioned, some believe they may contain fictionalised distortions of real societies, and Mac Carron's and Kenna's research bolsters this hypothesis.

They mapped out the interactions between over 1,500 characters that appear in 18 sagas including five particularly famous epic tales. Their analyses show, for example, that although an 'outlaw tale' has similar properties to other European heroic epics, and the 'family sagas' of Icelandic literature are quite distinct, the overall network of saga society is consistent with real social networks...

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; thevikings; vikings
Replica of Viking ship. Academics have uncovered complex social networks within age-old Icelandic sagas, which challenge the stereotypical image of Vikings as unworldly, violent savages. (Credit: © pemabild / Fotolia)

Replica of Viking ship. Academics have uncovered complex social networks within age-old Icelandic sagas, which challenge the stereotypical image of Vikings as unworldly, violent savages. (Credit: © pemabild / Fotolia)

1 posted on 10/05/2013 9:09:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Slaves as burial gifts in Viking Age Norway?
Evidence from stable isotope and ancient DNA analyses
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September 13, 2013 | Elise Naumanna et al
Posted on 09/28/2013 2:25:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 10/05/2013 9:10:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: 240B; 75thOVI; Adder; albertp; asgardshill; At the Window; bitt; blu; BradyLS; cajungirl; ...

3 posted on 10/05/2013 9:10:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv
"challenge the stereotypical image of Vikings as unworldly, violent savages. "

Most Vikings were victims. Victims of Travel Agents who sold southern vacation trips but never got the destination accommodations negotiated.

Given that the ATMs of the day were Monasteries, the poor vikings made ATM withdrawals to be able to exist until transportation home could be arranged.

It's all a great misunderstanding.

4 posted on 10/05/2013 9:14:41 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s my understanding that when my ancestors were drunk, they were a pretty fun lot.

Short, though. I was AMAZED to see the door of a stave church and hear that it was actually person-height.


5 posted on 10/05/2013 9:21:54 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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6 posted on 10/05/2013 9:22:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bookmarked.


7 posted on 10/05/2013 9:41:11 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Academics at Coventry University have uncovered complex social networks within age-old Icelandic sagas, which challenge the stereotypical image of Vikings as unworldly, violent savages.”

Who are these “academics” and where did they get their (apparently) worthless degrees? I ask because historians have already known this for a heck of a long time.


8 posted on 10/05/2013 9:41:12 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: SunkenCiv

Seriously, have these people never studied prosopography before?


9 posted on 10/05/2013 9:42:36 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Winstons Julia

Scroll down here to see the average height of men in Scandinavia in the Middle Ages: http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/vikheight.shtml


10 posted on 10/05/2013 9:46:02 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: SunkenCiv
Icelandic is to the Scandinavian languages--Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish--kind of like what Shakespearean English is to modern English. Icelandic tends to preserve older forms and words, in large part due to the country's comparative geographical isolation from the rest of Europe.

At our recent Scandinavian picnic here in St. Louis, I met a professor who actually is an expert in Icelandic and Old Norse.

11 posted on 10/05/2013 9:46:36 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Swedish-American)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Vikings ruled their realms like the Mob, La Cosa Nostra. As long as they got their cut, usually 10%, of all economic activity in the area they left everybody alone. Everybody had to kick up, right up to the boss (The King). However, when the envelopes were light, well my friend, that’s when they got violent. People got whacked, until they stopped holding out.


12 posted on 10/05/2013 9:54:08 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Charles Henrickson
in large part due to the country's comparative geographical isolation from the rest of Europe.

Similar analogy can be drawn, for the same reason, between the French of the Quebecois vs. French as spoken in France.

13 posted on 10/05/2013 9:58:10 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (0bama lied, Stevens died, now 0bama covers up the lies.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Anything about Vikings in the Turtle Mountains of ND? Also, do you know anything about how they moored their boats? Three sided holes drilled in rocks?


14 posted on 10/05/2013 10:02:30 PM PDT by upsdriver ( Palin/West '16)
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To: Winstons Julia
It’s my understanding that when my ancestors were drunk, they were a pretty fun lot. Short, though. I was AMAZED to see the door of a stave church and hear that it was actually person-height.

I've spent a lot of time in Scandinavia and seen a lot of the old buildings. Yes, people seem to have been shorter back then, but maybe not by more than a couple inches on average. Also, people in general were shorter in previous centuries--or I should say, we're taller now, probably due to advances in nutrition in the West over the last century or so.

I spent four months in Korea back in 1988, and at 6'3" I was literally the tallest person in the country I saw during that time. But now there are a number of Korean young men who are that tall. The health and diet of the country has improved and made a difference.

BTW, one other reason for low doorways and ceilings in old buildings in northern climes could be in order to heat the house and keep the heat in.

15 posted on 10/05/2013 10:02:35 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Swedish-American)
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To: Paladin2
Indeed, they were simple impoverished undocumented immigrants. They deserve our compassion not nativist hate.
16 posted on 10/05/2013 10:04:50 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: SunkenCiv

I dated a Swede that was a Social Savage.


17 posted on 10/05/2013 10:05:06 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Even true for the US. American English has more in common vocabulary wise with 17th and 18th Century England than today’s UK English does. If King George III came back to today’s world, he would have an easier time understanding the language in the US than England.


18 posted on 10/05/2013 10:07:09 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Red Dog #1

Vikings are obviously victims of racism.


19 posted on 10/05/2013 10:18:02 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SunkenCiv

Vikings May Have Been More Social Than Savage


May be........ EXCEPT for the rape, pillage and mass murders..
And then theres the slavery, hostage taking, ransomes, and arson..

The Vikes were pretty liberal in the sense of todays liberality..
They could have been democrats.. very progressive were they..
In the sense of social corruption, bribery, ideology and Mob Rule..
You know.................................. by Mobsters.. i.e. democracy..


20 posted on 10/05/2013 10:21:55 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Paladin2
AAggggrrrr..Matey!..Our travel arrangements may have been "somewhat" questionable..
but, the loot was there for the takin'..so we took, it was our nature (sociological speaking :)

21 posted on 10/06/2013 12:12:00 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: SunkenCiv

Socialist and savage. Still are. Bane of Christianity and Jews everywhere.


22 posted on 10/06/2013 1:05:51 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Yes, the shortness certainly was due to diet.


23 posted on 10/06/2013 1:41:19 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: SunkenCiv

sailing that thing across the ocean with only a primitive compass, no charts, the mind boggles.


24 posted on 10/06/2013 4:54:59 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: SunkenCiv
Fischer argues in Albion's Seed that the Vikings left a historical legacy in "East Anglia" of independent women ( the flip side of the men rowing off in boats to raid) that influenced America through immigrant Quakerism... and feminism.
25 posted on 10/06/2013 4:58:10 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: upsdriver

North Dakota? Nope, that’s a new one to me. Any pics?


26 posted on 10/06/2013 5:38:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

27 posted on 10/06/2013 5:48:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SunkenCiv
A Viking Funeral


28 posted on 10/06/2013 6:00:31 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: Charles Henrickson

I lived in Denmark from 1960-1963 and became fluent in Danish. The interesting thing is that when you have your “ear” for the language you will find there are amazing differences. For instance when speaking with a farmer in southern Jylland you will hear “old English” pronunciations of lots of words and phrases.

On the other hand the Danish spoken in Copenhagen is very different. Nevertheless it is an interesting language to say the least.


29 posted on 10/06/2013 6:29:34 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Charles Henrickson

It’s also an advantage when someone is coming in your house/building they have to duck their head.

Makes it a lot easier to cut it off if you don’t really want them in there.


30 posted on 10/06/2013 6:30:35 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: SunkenCiv

Everything that anyone could conceivably want to know about the Vikings has already been described in that epic work, Hägar the Horrible.


31 posted on 10/06/2013 6:31:36 AM PDT by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: SunkenCiv

The are many words of Norse origin that remain in spoken English today.

While many have their history in warfare, a very many of them are about are about everyday life:

The following link lists some of the English words of norse origin. You can see in the list that many are not about war. The lists expresses the result of settlement by and intermarriage with the norse in parts of northern and eastern England.

Of course the biggest tales of the “Vikings” told in England and later recorded came from the Anglo-Saxons who had just a few centuries earlier been invaders to the British Isles from the east.


32 posted on 10/06/2013 10:50:23 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Viking Words in English - The Viking Rune.com
http://www.vikingrune.com/2009/10/viking-words-in-english/

“Viking origin of the words ‘ransack’ and ‘slaughter’ probably would not surprise anyone, but very “peaceful” words like ‘leg’, ‘sky’ or ‘window’ are also of Scandinavian provenance. The verb ‘get’, one of the most used in English, was actually borrowed from Old Norse...”

“The list of Old Norse loanwords below is far from being complete. However, it gives rather representative examples of Viking cultural assimilation in England.”

anger – (Old Norse angr ‘grief’) [1220-1250]
birth – (ON burðr) [1016-1150]
bleak – (ON bleikr ‘pale’) [1250-1300]
bloom – (ON blóm) [1016-1150]
call – (ON kalla) [before 1016]
cast – (ON kasta) [1016-1150]
crawl – (ON krafla) [c.1350]
crook – (ON krókr) [1016-1150]
die – (ON deyja) [1016-1150]
fellow – (ON félagi) [before 1016]
gear – (ON gervi ‘equipment’) [1300-1450]
get – (ON geta) [c.1250]
hit – (ON hitta ‘to come upon’) [1016-1150]
husband – (ON hús ‘house’ and bóndi ‘householder’) [before 1016]
ill – (ON illr) [1016-1150]
kid – (ON kiþ) [1220-1250]
kindle – (ON kynda) [1016-1150]
knife – (ON knífr) [1016-1150]
law – (ON lag ‘law’)
leg – (ON leggr) [1016-1150]
lift – (ON lypta) [1250-1300]
loan – (ON lán) [1016-1150]
loose – (ON lauss) [1300-1450]
low – (ON lágr) [1016-1150]
meek – (ON mjúkr ‘gentle, soft’) [1016-1150]
rag – (ON rögg) [1016-1150]
raise – (ON rísa to rise) [1016-1150]
ransack – (ON rann-saka ‘to search a house’) [1220-1250]
sale – (ON sala) [1016-1150]
scare – (ON skjarr ‘timid’) [1016-1150]
seem – (ON sæma ‘to conform to’) [1250-1300]
skill – (ON skil) [1016-1150]
skin – (ON skinn) [1016-1150]
skirt – (ON skyrt) [after 1450]
sky – (ON skie ‘cloud’) [1220-1250]
slaughter – (ON sláter ‘butcher’s meat’) [1300-1450]
sly – (ON slœgr) [c.1250]
snare – (ON snara) [1016-1150]
take – (ON taka) [1016-1150]
thrive – (ON þrífa ‘to grasp’) [1016-1150]
trust – (ON traust) [c.1250]
ugly – (ON uggr ‘fear’) [1220-1250]
wand – (ON vöndr) [1016-1150]
want – (ON vanta) [1016-1150]
weak – (ON veikr) [1250-1300]
window – (ON vindauga ‘wind eye’) [1220-1250]
wing – (ON vengr) [1016-1150]
wrong – (ON rangr ‘awry, unjust’) [before 1016]


33 posted on 10/06/2013 12:57:07 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: SunkenCiv

VIKING KITTEH JUS WANTZ 2 BEEZ SOCIAL!
34 posted on 10/06/2013 6:52:58 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: concentric circles

oops

I said I was including a link, and then I forgot to.

Here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Old_Norse_origin

There are some similarities with the list you posted.

In the list at the link I posted from wiki, the English word gift was included which has in old norse means dowry. It’s standardization in English is another testament to intermarriage between Norse and earlier inhabitants and settlers in the British Isles.

HOWEVER, one of the problems with exact derivation of some words is that not only the Norse, but the Angles (Anglos) and the Saxons, and the Frisians (from whom both the Angles and the Saxons borrowed some load words) as well as the Franks (before they entered Gaul and mixed with the Romans and natives of Gaul) ALL were Germanic peoples that, if taken far enough back have a common ancestral and language history with all “Germans” and all Scandanavians by way of their Germanic orgins.

Many old Norse words are only slightly altered from and slightly different from the same words in other Scandanavian languages or old German. It can be somewhat contestable if a word of some Germanic origin in English actually arrived into English with the Angles, the Saxons, the Frisians or the Norse.


35 posted on 10/07/2013 10:41:30 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: hosepipe

Your post about the attributes of Vikings sounds very like The President’s description of Tea Party conservatives, eg. hostage taking, ransoms and arsons.

I guess he’s holding back on the murder and rape charges so he can claim to be civil in his discourse about them.


36 posted on 10/08/2013 8:58:39 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Rodamala

Viking Kitty attacking Betty Page. Kinky . . .


37 posted on 10/08/2013 1:26:01 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv
the stereotypical image of Vikings as unworldly, violent savage

Um, I think that stereotype would still hold if you were among the raidees rather than the raiders.

38 posted on 10/08/2013 1:27:59 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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